me, johnny apple -- i'm going to remember -- i'm going to forget the rest. a guy from the "boston globe" and, oh, a famous columnist whose name i shouldn't forget because he was a friend of mine. he was called the prince of darkness and worked -- >> bob novack. >> bob novack. i'm embarrassed to say i had a momentary blankout. he was so nice to them because i was a young reporter from the "chicago sun-times" and bob was a famous member of the "chicago sun-times" washington bureau. and there were only five of us, those four that i mentioned and the fifth i forget. and in those days, you traveled in small planes with the candidate. you talked to them one-on-one every day. you were very close to him. we flew two or three stops with him. the small planes, carter, his aide, a pilot, copi, and press planes and the third and fourth stop we got to ottumwa, iowa, and i believe it was novack who said, no, it was johnny apple who said, you know, i've seen enough of this guy. there are a lot of other candidates to cover. i want to rent a plane and go back to des moines.