>> well, of course, having spread affirmative action plans in the construction industry like johnny appleseed all across the country, the next year i became undersecretary of labor. we turned our attention to the whole industrial world and using the same peg, government contracting, we imposed an affirmative action obligation on -- which included goals and timetables for the recruitment and promotion of black americans on all industry that dealt as government contractors. when we were writing order number 4, pete nash had succeeded me as solicitor. i recall his sitting in my office when i was undersecretary, and we were going -- by that time i was becoming more and more nervous about the straight quota notion. just the straight population and remedy based on the population. we ended up adding about five or six or seven other factors in there so that we weren't dealing with total quotas, although it was more apparent than real. >> you mentioned in describing art fletcher concern about the southern strategy. i assume just to unpack that for the person -- people listening, it was your concern th