. >> charlie: you were often on the johnny carsen show, the late great johnny carsen. what d he have? timing for one. >> timing. he never said anything that wasn't faintly drawing -- derrogatory. you were never stuck there without anything to say. >> charlie: he was always faintly derrogatory. >> yes. he was able to, tend a laugh without seeming to take the joke away. he knew it was his show, his reaction time. and he had some little talents. once during the reagan administration, i was tking about the way the johnson administration got sort of swallowed by vietnam. the reagan administration was going to be subsumed by plastic surgery. and i said even george h.w. bush who was then the vice president in his annual check up at walter reed said to the doctor can you do something toake me a little less preppy around the eyes. he got that wordut without seeming to emphasi he had a lot of skills. he was really brilliant at it. >> charlie: people said, they've always said to me because i was always fascinated by him that he could make, he always made you better. >> he did. an