>> jay leno wanted to essentially just continue doing a johnny carson type show. t wanted to drop off a basket of fruit. >> part of dave's thing used to always be attacking authority. he liked that. >> cut the cameras, please. >> he needed a corporate-bad guy to go up against. i was ofoftentimes that target. >> i can hear him whining all year long about not getting his name on the card last year. i could be on there, couldn't i? >> it was always letterman's traem to be the host of "the tonight show." he idolized johnny carson, rightfully so. >> the big decision that's had the entertainment industry buzzing is due this week. that, of course, is the fate of nbc's late night stars jay leno and david letterman. >> most of us thought the person who deserved to get it was david letterman. he didn't get it. jay leno got it. >> leno, who earlier rode his motorcycle into a news conference hosted by nbc entertainment president, warren littlefield, still has a bruised ego about the way the network wavered in its support for him. >> when we found out that leno was going to get

you know, ron bitten johnny carson, you know, when i was coming up johnny carson, he was genuinely funny. but he was a unifier. he. he kind of poked fun, it gently and everyone, he didn't take, make any preferences. but now, humour is always had someone's expense, maybe at the expense of tens of millions of people. he used to have some kind of unifying thing and a critique of our culture. we laughed at ourselves, our strengths or weaknesses or oddities. i don't see any of that now. run. yeah. you know, it's kind of weird. like, what's permissible, especially in the corporate space. i be particular here in the united states, you see a lot of a lot of people in the mainstream that they just, they, they will not touch joe biden right. meanwhile, it's, he's the president, he's one of the most powerful people of the world. and he talks as if his brain is in a microwave. you can go after the guy you can make jokes about the guy that's kind of how this works. she make jokes about the president. yeah, well graham, i mean, you know, that is so patently obvious. i mean, this is a very gas, a prone

and you are no johnny carson. ♪ goo goo goo goo goo goo goo goo ♪ >> welcome the great white north. a second city chicago company, there was a second city toronto company. the toronto one is the one that fueled the sctv series which originally was syndicated and got to the states that way. >> hail, hail! >> hail, hail. thank you very much for that marvelous reception. i particularly want to thank my supporters over there in the cesarean section. >> it's healthy to be an outsider. you know, as a comedian. and canadians are always outsiders, but they're looking at the other culture which is right next door to them. >> i love you, i want to bear your children! ha ha ha! >> it was the type of comedy that had only been accessible if you could have gotten into the improv clubs in chicago and toronto. i had never seen anything like second city tv. >> james bridgeman, parkdale. >> sorry, no, never mind, i'm sorry. >> it was far more conceptual in its humor because it didn't have to be performed in front of an audience. and there was also just the idea that it was this sort of low-rent thing

conservatives can laugh but in the book you talk about how liberals do not appreciate comity like johnny carson political statements so what about comity? >> there is a lot of material. [laughter] and that self-deprecating humor is credible to what i do i cannot take it too seriously or people think i am arrogant and then to deal with the rabbit holes. so one of the things liberals have done. >> and to be very effective at ridicule. 's really moving the needle on policy. and then to be very influential but then he jumped out. and when conservatives try to enter that realm of comity they don't want to do it. and if you allow that to be in their arsenal that can be damaging so the to the liberal cause. so it humanizes them. and it makes them likable. if we are likable and we're actually real people and if we are real people then we can to be canceled. because they cannot dehumanize us. with racist and big it's not even works of conversation not even worth being in the industry. >> so to cancel "watters world" how will he see his family? ff. >> i was going to say jesse junior. [laughter] >> and wi

liberals just don't appreciate comedy and it's so evident in the late-night shows for the days of johnny carsonr and everyone's just making political statements. why do you think the left is so afraid of comedy? >> well i laugh at myself because there's a lot of material there. [laughter] it's that self-deprecating humor that's critical to what i do because i can't take myself too seriously or people would think i was just an arrogant, i'm not going to say it. so humor disarms people especially on the street in dealing with these radicals. one of the things liberals have done is really tried to police conservative camera recently. jon stewart is very effective at ridicule and he had that run for a while on "the daily show" where he was really moving the needle even on policy. were republicans were terrified of this guy and he was just resting them and they show is very influential and then he dumped out and now he's on a farm and he grew a beard. putting conservatives tried to enter that realm of comedy liberals don't want to do it because they know how effective comedy is. they know how effect

the days of johnny carson or god. everyone is making political statements.ft is so afraid? >> i laugh at myself because there's a lot of material there. [laughter] e that t self deprecating humor is critical to what i do because i cannot take myself too seriously or people would think i was an arrogant, i'm not going to sayau it. [laughter] so humor disarms people, especially on the street were dealing with radicals. i'm think liberals has done his police conservative humor. john stuart at radical. he had that run for a while. he was really moving the needle even on policy. republicans were terrified of this guy. was very influential. it was on a farm, grew a beard when conservatives tried to enter the realm of comedy, but liberals want to do it. they know how effective comedy is. they know how effective ridicule is. number one, few allowed conservatives to have that in their arsenal, that could be very damaging to the liberal cause. but what conservatives are funny it also humanizes them and makes them likable. conservatives cannot be likable, right? [laugh

laura: thinking about the old days of johnny carson and 15 million viewers a nice, the late-night hosts tiny fraction of what someone like you got all those years ago stayed away from is politics with jimmy kimmel saying people who are in vaccinated shouldn't get any treatment in hospitals, he's not joking. howard stern said the same thing. the morbidly obese people, smokers, people who have done drugs, do they get into treatment, are they all just -- cast aside. >> the joke is there picturing some guy named bubba with the confederate flag on the back of his pickup truck but the fact is black and hispanic communities have a much lower vaccination rate than white people. when confronted with this fact they don't admit that is going to be the people they are denying care to. they are maintaining it is these awful trumpers. maybe it would be for the best if mainstream media did stop covering conservatives, they do a terrible job of it. maybe it is time to go our separate ways here. laura: for people who haven't read his pieces his columns in the new york times are much more vicious than th

johnny carson had 10 million people watching when he left late-night, these people have decimated theimeslots. over a comedy central, trevor noah kept the good times rollin with the hilarious and charming. >> i understand that the climat is very uncomfortable it's not something that makes you popular . it sort of an icebreaker, it doesn't, people don't like it i you talk about the climate crisis. i'm so tired of talking about the climate by now. >> we are tired of hearing her talk about it. don't worry, seth meyers kept the late-night excitement going. the other night we reported on the way been doing that musical number seth got into that with scintillating claimant, john kerry. >> they performed. >> you heard they are fan? >> i watched a video of its fantastic. >> they are really good. they're good. >> and they are taking this seriously. >> kids are correct to be as, t be frustrated, just called us and two say adults be adults. welcome to late night in america , laura. this as a man who takes a private plane almost everywhere he goes and according to a vox analysis he's expended 30

. >> laura: i was thinking about the old days of johnny carson and 15 million viewers a night.night hosts get a tiny fraction of what someone like you got years ago, stay away from those politics but jimmy kimmel sang people who are on vaccinated shouldn't get any treatment in hospitals, he's not joking, that's what he really thinks, howard stern the same thing. where does this end, do morbidly obese people, do smokers, to people who have done drugs, do they get no treatment too? >> they are picturing some guy named bubba with a confederate flag on the back of his pickup truck but the fact is black and hispanic communities have a much lower vaccination rate than white people, when confronted with this fact they don't admit that it's going to be the people date deny care to. they are still maintaining its these awful trumpers. maybe it would be for the best if the mainstream media to stop covering conservatives, they do a terrible job of it. maybe it's time to go our separate ways here. >> laura: for people who haven't read his pieces, has columns in "the new york times" are muc

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i remember back in the day my parents watching johnny carson. i was a thing after archie bunker.about my dad. but that was classic and it was iconic. it was very relevant whereas i think these guys are so predictable that they are just not worth watching. >> greg: i think they want to be relevant but they can't actually be original in the relevancy. dr. drew, you know these guys well. let's take them apart piece by piece. >> no, i don't want to do that. your status as king has gone to your head. >> greg: get him off the show! get him off the show! >> off with his head. what is interesting to me is that active is show and what these guys are doing with late-night is that they their fundamental job of doing television which is first, capture the eye, and then get their attention and entertain and then you can maybe do -- if you want to deliver information behind that. they let go of the television part entirely. glad to say you have not. but the reality -- >> greg: you are back in my good graces. speak about without doing television that actually tracks viewers and entertains them,

johnny carson made him a standout. >> i know it is funny, but i don't think looking like this is worthine seasons of the drew carey show made him a sitcom sensation. >> i've got to thank you for letting me in your car-pool. >> reporter: why do you think that show lasted as long as it did? >> oh, man, mismanagement at abc. >> reporter: and the game show, whose line is ♪t anywa ♪ there is nothing about for which i can relate ♪ ♪ so every december 25th, i kick off my shoes and go to the dell deli and hang out with the jews ♪ >> i didn't start out think, i'm going to have my own sitcom some day. i couldn't even dream of that, much less "the price is right". >> reporter: do you ever pinch yourself this is happening? >> all the time. it is crazy. all the time. 10,000 in the middle. you got it! >> reporter: so here is to another 50 years for a tv time capsule and average joes everywhere. on "the price is right", you can win big, including the host. >> bye-bye! ♪ but restore, renew, and replenish it. so we can all live better tomorrow. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ time is on my side ♪ ♪ yes, it is ♪ ♪ time, it's o

lord ♪ >> what he really wanted to do was to create a christian version of "the tonight show with johnny carsonnnovations, the christian talk show. >> i don't have a tie on today because -- well, it's a long story why i don't have a tie on today, but it was either this or nothing, so i -- >> he was a guy who didn't look like billy graham or like a televangelist. jim bakker looked like a golfer. he looked like a pga golfer. >> ptl's second big innovation after the christian talk show was the creation of the satellite network and this changed everything. >> the transmitter satellite dish just behind me is the ptl's new worldwide message carrier. >> jim bakker was the gatekeeper to the heavens. he controlled the only broadcast satellite for religious broadcasters. >> from this moment on, the ptl television network plans to broadcast 24 hours a day until the second coming of jesus christ. >> and now here are your host and hostess, ptl president and mrs. jim bakker! >> the ptl television empire revolved around jim and tammy's daily talk show. >> welcome to this hour of the ptl club. thank you. >> hi

. >> johnny carson always said the secret was the central time zone.we adopt a central time zone team. >> brewers, a good choice. chicago white sox are a lot of fun. a lot of great players there. maybe teams that can field the ball, catch the ball, pitch the ball, joe. >> it's the bad news bears. >> it's nice. >> is this when you pretend you're not watching. >> actually, it's kind of nice that we're together, and you guys can waste time together. >> finally came down from the top of the building. >> we're here to do "morning joe" which involves some of this, but then we move on to news. >> i don't know. >> okay. it is nice to be in person! doesn't the nfl start this season? >> tomorrow night. >> yeah. >> roll tide, by the way, haven't seen you since the blow out in miami. >> what about mac? we're excited about mac jones in new england. we're very excited about mac jones. >> he's tuscaloosa's answer to tom brady. that clip will haunt me for the rest of my life. he's good. he doesn't make mistakes. >> in a belichick offense, that's what you want. don't m