and i would like your guest to comment on someone like johnny cochran who i would imagine is a true hero to the black community. >> guest: well, there's no question that johnnie cochran was a brilliant attorney and also a brilliant showman. and there's no question that he was very good at pulling christopher darden's strings. i mean, he somehow made the o.j. simpson case into a referendum of me think of including a referendum of whether or not christopher darden was black. christopher darden fell into the trap and could not resist it. if you're asking was the most clever, the better attorney, clearly by any indication i can think of, johnny cochran was by far the better attorney there. and he won the case and christopher darden and marcia clark did not. there's a lot of speculation about that affair. may be no more about it but i'm not sure the average mid-having a affair, they hinted that they possibly did. but anyway, that's not terribly important. >> host: your first two books, "the press" and "a nation of strangers," about the media and immigration. five books, six books on race. why

you can't hire johnnie cochran you look guilty.now, people will look at giordano, well, maybe, something's a little sketchy there if he has to get this guy to defend him? >> that's the conventional wisdom. if you're in trouble, when cochran was alive, you hired johnnie cochran. we saw some real magic in the courtroom from jose baez. i think we saw some really masterful moments. he really connected with the jury. he's very much the reason that casey anthony is a free woman today. >> all of that criticism that he got today. he turned out looking brilliant to some people the last one we have to get to is conrad, murray the doctor accused in the death of michael jackson, how do you find a jury not familiar with this case? >> i don't think you can. i think the most you can hope for is finding a jury that can be fair. and i do think that's certainly is possible. i said it before and i'll say it again, i think it was a wrong move not to sequester the jurors here. t.j., we have spoken many times about this. i believe they can find a jury i

and i would like your guest to comment on someone like johnny cochran who i would imagine is a true hero to the black community. >> guest: well, there's no question that johnnie cochran was a brilliant attorney and also a brilliant showman. and there's no question that he was very good at pulling christopher darden's strings. i mean, he somehow made the o.j. simpson case into a referendum of me think of including a referendum of whether or not christopher darden was black. christopher darden fell into the trap and could not resist it. if you're asking was the most clever, the better attorney, clearly by any indication i can think of, johnny cochran was by far the better attorney there. and he won the case and christopher darden and marcia clark did not. there's a lot of speculation about that affair. may be no more about it but i'm not sure the average mid-having a affair, they hinted that they possibly did. but anyway, that's not terribly important. >> host: your first two books, "the press" and "a nation of strangers," about the media and immigration. five books, six books on race. why

been no problem that is fear there is eight and already you know and i don't want a ghost of johnny cochran come down and saying oh it's you know who the scarf doesn't fit we must acquit i don't think that's a good idea i think the president's critics we haven't let fear define is the last ten years i would disagree with the word fear and say paybacks america they started it the bad guys took a beating no i think whether or not we've achieved the goal of killing al qaeda that's that's in the questions a difficult a more for this organization but what we have done is dealt them some pretty deadly blows and i'll give obama credit he said it himself in that same speech he said we've killed more al qaeda leaders in the past two years with the cia drones from the killing machine and bravos. that's what the terrorists are best used for but meantime do you think that everything else that goes along with what you call payback has been absolutely worth it and like i said again the erosion of civil liberties now we have but fifteen thousand and thirty nine what i mean what are monitoring muslim commu

at this point in time, jose baez is really the new johnny coch n cochran. baez. if you're in trouble, you want the best go-to person in the criminal justice system, that person is jose baez because by all accounts, even though people have criticized him, he really connected with that jury and he is the reason casey anthony is walking free. the question, the answer to the question, where did he come from? many don't know because while he graduated from law school in 1997, he was admitted to the bar in florida in 2005. so this is someone who didn't have a lot of experience going into the casey anthony case. apparently, she heard prison inmates talking about the fact jose baez was a good attorney and hired him. as a trial attorney, i can tell you that the best trial attorneys are those that are scr scrappy, those that connect with juries. certainly, he has now the experience of a lifetime having tried a case like that and has become the go-to person. that's why gary jordano has him as his attorney. >> thank you very much. on the case as always. >>> still ahead