. >> well, i actually started playing in the oakland area around 1965, '66 with a guy named johnny hartsman. he was an organ player and a flute player. he wanted to expand his band. he only had a saxophone and drum so he wanted to add an instrument. i guess he heard about me. one night i came and sat in with his band and i guess i did okay. so he hired me. and we were playing at this place called the showcase. this is the many moons ago. and he decided he didn't want to be a band leader. of us that left, we got together and formed our own organ trio. i went an bought me an organ and we got busy. >> when is the trumpet coming in? trumpet and piano at the same time. >> actually, he saw me do it. and he was known for being a little late. so he started being late at this particular gig. i think we were at the showcase. and so i would just set in. because he actually hired me as a trumpet player. he didn't hire me to play the organ. but then he started taking advantage of the fact they could play the organ so he came in late. and we played the first maybe 10 or 15 minutes. and then i got pretty