here, any point in time if the ferris fee came to light johnny parker would not loan me money. if johnny knew that i had taken fees, i would not have been able to borrow money from johnny parker. >> you testified earlier about going to the gamecock baseball game on the weekend prior to monday, june 7th, 2021, correct? >> correct. >> [inaudible] >> sir? >> [inaudible]. >> all right, i'll show you what has been marked as state 572 for this trial. do you have your glasses with you? and have you -- first i want you to look through that document and then answer the question do you generally know what that is. >> someone wants something. if you'll stand for a moment. everybody stand for a moment. >> they killed the mic in the courtroom and we've been watching for a bit more than an hour. johnny spilbor and mercedes are with us as well. jonna, you are a defense attorneys and mercedes you have a prosecutor's eye. whether or not is the defense working here? >> the defense is working. it is the prosecution that is not. i just witnessed something i don't think i've ever seen before. the p

. >> did you go to johnny parker to borrow $250,000 in order to cover the fees? >> i did. >> you did? >> i did. >> did you tell him what that was for? >> no, i did not tell him what that was for. >> did you go to russell at the bank and get $350,000 in order to help cover some of the funds you had taken to send to chris wilson? >> i did. >> did you get those fees before you signed any paperwork or documentation? >> i heard testimony about that in this case, but i can't tell you the specifics of that. >> okay. you don't recall that? >> do i recall when i signed paperwork? no, sir. >> you don't recall you got the money a month before you signed the paper work? >> no, sir, i don't recall that. i'm not disputing that, but i don't recall it. >> all right. did you go to your best friend, chris wilson, and convince him to cover $192,000, the remaining $192,000, in order for him to send that email to your law firm as if those fees had been there all along. >> i spoke to chris wilson and did not have the full amount of the fees, and i got chris wilson to put the remaining

>> according to what he said i did. >> did you lie to johnny parker? >> i don't believe i ever discussed that with john any. >> did you lie to him about the finances when you borrowed that money in july of 2021? >> i don't know if i lied to him about -- johnny -- i don't think johnny asked me -- i don't think i had to lie to johnny about that. so i don't know. >> did you -- you certainly didn't disclose the truth when you borrowed the $250,000, did you? >> i did not tell him what i was going to use it for. >> did we say not telling the whole truth is the same as telling a lie? >> sure it is. >> you don't think that's a lie? >> mr. waters, i'm not taking issue with that. i don't know that johnny and i -- johnny loaned me money numerous times. i needed it. johnny was willing to help me and that would have been the conversation. so on that specific event did i lie to him? i don't know. >> he ended up being out $477,000, didn't he? >> he ended up being out a lot of money. >> thank you for your qualifications as to that. did you lie to lee cope? >> i don't

any point in time farris fee came to light johnny parker would not loan me money. if johnny knew i had taken fees, i would not have been able to borrow money from johnny parker. >> you testified earlier about going to the gamecock baseball game on the weekend prior to monday, june 7th, 2021, correct? >> correct. >> hold on for me real quick. >> sir? >> hold on for me real quick. >> i'm going to show you what's been marked as state's 572 for the trial. you got your readers with you or your glasses. have you first -- i want you to look through the document and answer the question do you generally know what that is? >> mr. waters, someone wants something, so if you'll stand for a moment. everybody stand for a moment. >> all right, everybody, we are listening in to the alex murdaugh trial. right now there's a little bit of a pause. we may have to jump in at any second. the judge letting everybody stretch their legs a little bit. we're going to continue to listen in. i do have danny cevallos, criminal defense attorney and msnbc legal analyst we're going to listen in agai

. >> which one >> johnny parker. >> that was a fairly common occurrence over the years that happened multiple times. would you agree with that? >> i agree it happened multiple times. >> you would agree also that you would sometimes use some of the stolen money to pay that back. >> i won't dispute that. i don't know that that's the case. i know what i saw mr. bernie testify to and using that particular accounting method, you know, i see that. so i don't dispute that. >> all right. and would you agree that you also, when you needed money occasionally borrowed as much as 5 and 6 figures from your father, mr. randolph? >> i did. >> over the years, particularly as we move to 2021 you would use stolen month en to pay that back. >> i don't dispute that. if that's what the records show. >> all right. and you just mentioned here in the testimony that the banker and all that you would agree with me that as we move to june of 2021 you were running out of money at least in liquid funds. >> in money on hand or money i could get. >> money that you could -- liquid funds. >> i don't know what you me

. >> did you go to johnny parker to borrow $250,000 in order to cover the fees? >> i did. >> you did? >> did you tell him what that was for? >> no, i did not tell him what that was for. >> did you go to russell at palmetto state bank and get $350,000 in order to help cover some of the ferris fees you had taken to send to chris wilson? >> i did. >> did you get those fees before you signed any paperwork or documentation? >> i've heard testimony about that in this case, but i can't -- i can't tell you the specifics of that. >> you don't recall that? >> do i recall when i signed paperwork? no, sir. >> you don't recall that you got the money a month before you signed the paperwork? >> no, sir, i don't recall that. >> do you recall your phone being on the console. >> i'm not disputing that, but i don't recall it. >> all right. >> did you go to your best friend chris wilson and convince him to cover $192,000, the remaining $192,000 in order for him to send that e-mail to your law firm as if those fees had been there all along. >> i spoke to chris wilson, and did not hav

i would go sometimes when buster wasn't there, but i -- johnny parker, one of my partners, had a guesthouse. his mother-in-law had lived in when she was sick that's really right at the foot of randy's drive. it's 100 yards, 70 yards from randy's house. i was going to move into -- i was going to move into that house until we figured out where i could live. so i had clothes there, i had clothes at randy's, i said clothes at john marvin's. i had clothes -- i think buster talked about, where we went to the river, i had clothes there. i had clothes in summerville and i still had clothes at mozell. >> last question? >> were your clothes spread out, a lot of different places? >> yes. >> all right. thank you. >>> we're going to break for lunch and return at -- in an hour and 15 minutes. >>> hello, i'm abby philip in washington. you've just been listening to arrive etting testimony from alex murdaugh, who has taken the stand. it's been a pivotal day. the disbarred attorney charged with killing his wife and younger son. dianne gallagher is outside of that courthouse. diane, really an incredible morni

i would go to john and lizzie's sometimes when buster wasn't there, but i was -- johnny parker, one of my partners had a guesthouse. his mother-in-law had lived in when she was sick that's really -- it's right at the foot of randy's drive. it's 100 yards, 70 yards from randy's house, and i was going to move into -- i was going to move into that house until we figured out where i could live. so i have clothes there. i had clothes at randy's. i had clothes at john marvin's. i had clothes at chi ches sees like where we went to the river, and i had clothes there. i had clothes in somerville. and i had clothes at moselle. >> so your clothes -- yes, sir. >> last question? >> no, this -- >> so were your clothes spread out a lot of different places? >> yes. >> all right. >> thank you. >> we'll break for lunch, and return at -- in an hour and 15 minutes. please do not discuss the case. >> we have been watching this walterboro south carolina courtroom live. that is alex murdaugh taking a rare high stakes risk testifying on his own behalf for more than two hours now in his double murder trial inc

january to june, you know, i can borrow money from my father, i can borrow money from johnny parker.ney. i had substantial equity in the house, as we talked about. >> which was in maggie's name, correct? >> it was in maggie and my name. so that definitely was in both of our names. mozel was in maggie's name. with substantial equity in that, that would have been borrowed against. so under the terms, as you defined liquid assets just now as money that i would have access to, i disagree with on that -- for those reasons that i just said. >> can we at least agree that generally the way the compensation structure for legitimate money that you earned in your law firm, the vast majority of compensation doesn't come except for one luch sum in december? >> we would receive a salary. i believe that salary was $125,000. >> right. >> and then the income that was earned would be paid in the form of a bonus at the year end. >> all right. and then would you agree with me that is why you stole the farris fees in march of 2021, because you were in desperate need of funds and you could not wait until

john and lizzie's when buster was there, and sometimes when buster wasn't there, but -- i was, johnny parker, one of my partners had a guest house, his mother-in-law had lived in when she was sick, that's really -- it's right at the foot of randy's -- it's 100 yards, 70 yards from randy's house, and i was gonna move into -- i was gonna move into that house until we figured out where i could live. so i had clothes there, i had clothes at randy's, i had clothes at john marvin's, i had clothes at chi chessy, i think you heard buster talk about like where we went to the river and i had clothes there, i will clothes in sommerville, and i still had clothes at moselle. >> so your clothes -- [inaudible] >> yes, sir. >> last question. >> no -- so were your clothes spread out, a lot of different places? >> yes. >> all right. >> thank you. >> we'll break for lunch and return at, in an hour and 15 minutes. >> john: compelling testimony in the alec murdaugh trial in a south carolina courtroom as alec murdaugh takes the stand in his own defense, trying to inject enough doubt in the juror's minds they will

. >> january to june, you know, i could borrow money from my father, i could borrow money from johnny parkernd my name. that definitely was in both of your names. moselle was in maggie's name. there was substantial equity in that that could have been borrowed against. so under the terms as you defined liquid assets right now, money that i would have access to, i disagree with for those reasons that i just said. >> can we at least agree that generally the way the compensation structure of legitimate money you earned in your law firm, the vast majority of compensation does not come but in one lump sum in december? >> right. we get a salary. i believe our salary was $125,000 and then the income that was earned would be paid in the form of a bonus at the year end. >> and then would you agree with me that that is why you stole the ferris fees in march of 2021, because you were in desperate need of funds and you could not wait until december to access those funds? >> i think there's probably a lot of reasons why i stole those funds, but i don't dispute that's one of the reasons. >> would you agree