. >> we discovered that johnny perkins, serving a life sentence for attempted murder and robbery was a veteran of the group and an authority on rule 38. >> when i came to prison, it was unheard of. public masturbating. i think i maybe was one of the first that really started. i have over 20 years of experience with doing this. i guess because -- i don't know. it's exciting, i guess. i guess feeling some type of connection because i know that's a woman and i know she sees me. you feel? >> it was clear from talking to him that he was caught enough and locked up enough to the point where he had the system worked out. >> i still get up every morning and go around the whole institution where i can go to we have the females is working. if a female is working in a spot where i can masturbate in her presence and get away with it because that's part of getting away, not going to lock up for it. >> though he covered the sex and love addicts group, interviewed both staff and inmates about rule 38 and had been exposed to numerous examples of the violation, we weren't quite done with it. ♪ lookin