for that, we turn to johnny taylor, president and c.e.o. of the thurgood marshall college fund. you for joining us. we just heard the president of south carolina state talking about optimizing and right sizing and words which sounds like it comes from "how to fix a school?" how does south carolina state do so poorly when other schools do so well? what's the root problem? >> the root problem is about leadership, and it's not just the staff leadership but it's also governance. so the board leadership and the staff leadership. and by the way, that happens to be the case at many institution not just h.p.c.u.s. but at its core. if we don't fix the problem-- and it's a people problemue can throw as much money as you want at an institution, if they have the wrong sort of governance and the wrong professional staff then all the dollars in the world won't solve the problem. >> ifill: are h.p.c.u.s uniquely at risk? >> yes largely because we were first historically underfunded. check, have that. but then we continue to live-- i don't think we've had a real discussion about the appropriate

join me in welcoming jason riley and johnny taylor. >> welcome. >> good to be here. >> appreciate it. >> glad to be here. >> i'll let you start off. >> wow, puts me on the spot. >> yeah, first of all, i want to thank you-all for giving me the opportunity. i would have been here all day. i was invited at the last minute. i'm a stand in for the real guy right? [ laughter ] >> so like saturday night i'm like can you come? i said well, who couldn't? that's why i'm here. in any event one of the things that you couldn't have asked, talking about gratuity, you couldn't have thought for a better time as we're dealing with the issues from ferguson and baltimore and chicago. you name it. one of the things i hoped jason i always when i see something on the news, i say i wonder what jason would think. i literally do because i respect his thinking and read his book and have a great appreciation for how thoughtful. several years ago, i was just assuming this role and run an organization of historically black colleges and universities but didn't attend a historically black college or university. it'

. >> now why johnny depp could be incarcerated and taylor swift. >> johnny depp could face up to tentee heard details of the case on monday and confirmed that if depp is tried and found guilty he could get ten years behind bars or fined more than $250,000. early this month he brought his two yorkshire terriers pistol and boo to australia. depp failed to declare the pet breaking quarantine laws. >>> the rolling stones are proving they've still got it. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> the stones kicking off their 15 city tour in san diego before a sold out crowd. mick jag garrgar still bouncing around. soft joke soft joke. >> when taylor swift comes to the rescue of some high school students in montana. this is the deal they made with their world history teacher. if taylor called their teacher, mr. pierce the students will not have to take the final exam. the students approved the deal. the exams are two weeks away. so far no word from taylor swift. taylor, if you're watching you have to call mr. peer. make the call. you sound like taylor swift. make the call. >> i teach studying. >> yes, indeed. >> thank y

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