dealt with that great story, about 10:30 in the morning, he reached town and took out a bottle of johnny walker black label scotch, put it down, put two large glasses and began to pour. >> rose: at what time? 10:30 in the morning. and i was shocked when i saw that. and he said, oh, dear, he said, you don't drink. i said, no. does that mean there's no job? he said, no, but it's going to make it that much more tough. ( laughter ) but when we were finished with the three hours, in a very murrow gesture, put his arm around he me and said "you're one of us." >> rose: wow. and i melted, which i would have done anything for him. >> rose: what's the state of journalism today? >> oh, we're in trouble. >> rose: how so? for two reasons, really. one is financial, that, as a result of the arrival of the internet, we have lost this whole world of ads and the kind of things that used to sustain newspapers, now still do. there is an enormous amount of medical type ads on tell investigation. so that keeps that aspect of news going, but newspapers have been reduced. you pick up a newspaper today, i was just visi