johnson. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i'm -- mixed feelings. mr. shaw, ms. durden, i am sorry for your loss. it was 30 years ago -- excuse me, 40 years ago on may 29th, 1973, that my sister was killed, murdered by a black guy, and i chose not to be angry or unforgiving about that to this day. and i just wonder why is it that you two have been brought here to share your pain about your loss with the nation. were you called because we wanted to arouse passions and prejudices against people from -- or against illegal immigrants? is it because we wanted people to think that all illegal immigrants are from mexico, they're hispanic? is it because we wanted everyone to feel that all immigrants, illegal immigrants are criminals? or drunk drivers? or somehow the scourge of our community? is that why you all were brought here? i can't think of any reason why other than that. that you all are here. >> can i answer that? >> and i think that this kind of passion and this kind of emotion really is ill placed for our consideration of legislation before us. and i appreciate the law enforcement personnel who