sarah: we are joined by julian burnside, jolene assange's australian lawyer. ank you for joining us. does this change anything for mr. assange's situation? it sounds very much like he is still stuck in that embassy. guest: in a practical sense, it does not change a lot, but that all depends on whether the british government couldn't see a bit of common sense and common decency and let assange leave the embassy and return to australia without being interfered with. now, let's go back and remove or what this is all about. assange, of course, runs wikileaks. wikileaks published a number of documents and the collateral murder video, which put america in a bad light, and of course, most members of the public who saw or heard any of this material saw or heard it through the mainstream media, other organs of the press around the world. but those people are not threatened with punishment anywhere because there is a great difference between what chelsea manning did on one hand, and what assange, wikileaks, and rupert murdoch did on the other hand. the risk that was faci