jon carson ran field for the obama campaign in 2008, and was just known as, kind of, the "organizer ofzer," and so, you know, given my roots, and, you know, being an organizer at heart, i was just so excited to have that opportunity, and, fortunately, you know, i was hired not that long after. damian: you know, it was those roots but maybe being genuine and straightforward. is that maybe what lured you to them? julie: definitely, i mean, i think what i saw coming into government was something that i did not expect. i expected government to be, and especially at this level, much more, i would say, cutthroat, much more--i don't know--just, a lot more politics, to be honest, and what i found was a group of extremely committed people who saw that government was a real, you know, opportunity to continue to create change, to transform our communities for the better, to create opportunity for those that, for too long, had been locked out, and so it was just such a great team to be a part of, and to see that, you know, continue now into the biden-harris administration has been a real opportuni