but i don't think there's a legal claim there at all. >> jon finer, let's hear what trump had paul ryan had to say about this. >> the president is new to this. he's new to government. he probably wasn't steeped in the long-running protocols that establish the relationships between the dojs and the white house and justice department. he's new at this. >> this was laughable to at least two people that i was talking to in the last hour. how is this republican defense that it's a rookie mistake, how does that play into this? >> ignorance of the law is not a defense. if you break the law without knowing it, you're sti going to get in trouble and that applies as much to the preside of the united states as it does to an ordinary citizen. i think paul ryan describing this as protocol diminishes what is a national security issue. this is not about what fork to use at a dinner party. this is about a new threat to the country that's been identified in the context of the 2016 election. by the way, it's also not about revisiting the outcome of that election. it's about protecting the country from on