. >> deputy city attorney jon givner. the answer is a little complicated. there are different categories of, of people who can fill seats on this board. the board has to have at least four consumers, that is, people who have received mental health services in san francisco, and at least for family members, which is adult, children's, domestic partners or siblings of people who have received mental health services in san francisco. the statute -- i'm sorry, the ordinance that creates the board doesn't actually specify who needs to sit in which seats. so, in a way it probably depends on how many family members are currently on the board. if there are currently four family members on the board, then there would be no problem with a consumer holding that seat. the clerk's office generally has a way of tracking seats in order to, to make sure that, that at least minimally complying with the ordinance. but there may be another seat where a family member is sitting already. >> maybe -- could you come up and maybe you might have some information? >> it's rather a c