ambassador to china, jon huntsman. >> i think there is clearly evidence that they have been empowered with their new found economic strength and now the second largest economy in the world. they're about one-third of our own in terms of gdp output, 5 trillion versus 15 trillion. what we don't sometime focus enough on when we look at and analyze china is their domestic challenges. so yes, they're growing, there is no question about that. their productive capacity has been enhanced. but they're also transitioning 800 million farmers into a world in which they only need 200 million farmers. they have to maintain a certain level of output to ensure that unemployment does not rise to a dangerous level in which case they have a large itinerant workforce that can be very destabilizing as we've seen in years past. >> rose: and a look at the u.. -russia relationship with professor stephen cohen your interest in this began when you met people in moscow? >> yeah. >> rose: and their stories were so compelling that-- it grew into friendships. >> exactly. i found myself unexpectedly 35 years ago li