starting with jon karl. you got our attention. said ted cruz might pick someone to be his running mate before the indiana primary on may 3rd. any idea who? >> by the way, has anybody who ever was actually picked as a running mate ever said before that they were interested? i think cruz will double down on conservative. usually, for a running mate pick, you're picking somebody who will run in the general election. in the rest of the primaries. >> meantime, bill kristol, donald trump says he may reach out to someone from the establishment. >> well, i think -- who knows how donald trump thinks about this? he certainly has reached out to the establishment, hasn't he? who is running his campaign now? paul manafort. he's helped dictators around the world. >> you had to get that in. >> i think, mr. trump, time for a change. i think kasich would be a good choice a signal. >> you thing there's any chance he would take it? >> i hope not. i think there would go his entire career in ohio. i'm not sure he could help trump. and i think it would

. >> and jon karl with us live tonight from albany. so, ivanka and eric trump won't be able to vote here. some saying this demonstrate's trump's bigger issue, he's going he wants a victory at a contested convention. >> reporter: trump has nearly 2 million more votes than ted cruz, but the simple fact is that when it comes to that grass roots organizing, needed to actually select the delegates that will go to the convention, the cruz campaign is miles ahead. trump's advisers pryivately acknowledge they have work to do to catch up, and dave, they insist they will. >> jon karl, thank you. >>> now, to the democratic side tonight, hillary clinton needing a win in new york after a string of losses. but as clinton battles bernie sanders, she has revealed something else tonight. how she intends to go after donald trump and you'll see it here. bernie sanders campaigning across the state, reminding voters he was born here. but tonight, a new poll showing he might have an uphill fight. clinton leading by 14 points here, as the primary now nears.

advisers privately acknowledge they have work to do to catch up, and david, they insist they will. >> jon karl live from a trump event at this hour, upstate. jon, thank you. >>> now, to the democratic side tonight. hillary clinton needing a win in new york after a string of losses. but as clinton battles bernie sanders, she has revealed something else tonight. how she intends to go after donald trump and you'll see it here. bernie sanders campaigning across the state, reminding voters he was born here. but tonight, a new poll showing he might have an uphill fight. clinton leading by 14 points here, as the primary now nears. abc's cecilia vega with clinton's strategy against trump. >> reporter: tonight, in a new ad, hillary clinton revealing her possible game plan, if it's clinton versus donald trump. >> he says we should punish women who have abortions. >> there has to be some form of punishment. >> reporter: using trump's own words against him on one issue after the next. >> ban muslims from coming here at all. >> total and complete shutdown. >> reporter: and a not so subtle dig at bernie san

. >>> let's get right to jon karl now with more on the exit polls. noted at the top, the democrats think hillary clinton is the person to beat donald trump. how does that issue play out on the republican side? >> reporter: new york republicans overwhelmingly think donald trump is the one that can beat hillary clinton. take a look at this. 56% say trump is the best candidate for the november election. just 21% for case kasich, 16% f cruz. and then there's the issue of the contested convention. trump's opponents are counting on a contested convention. new york republicans say they don't want one. they think that whoever has the most votes should win, even if that is not an outright majority. >> been seeing that in a lot of polls. meanwhile, the republicans and democrats have been very different views on how this whole campaign is playing out. >> reporter: yeah. for democrats, it's been a brutal campaign, but they say that it has energized their party, not divided their party. 68% say energized the party. for republicans, it's just the reverse. a majori

let's get right to jon karl now with more on the exit polls. noted at the top, the democrats think hillary clinton is the person to beat donald trump. however does that issue play out on the republican side? republicans overwhelmingly think donald trump is the one that can beat hillary clinton. take a look at this. 56% say trump is the best candidate for the november election. just 21 for kay sicksich, 16 for cruz. the issue of the contested convention, trump's opponents are counting on it. new york republicans say they don't want one. they say whoever has the most votes should win. >> meanwhile, the republicans and democrats have been very different views on how this whole campaign is playing out. >> reporter: yeah. for democrats, it's been a brutal campaign, but they say that it is energized their party, not divided their party. look at this. 68% say energized the party. reverse. a majority of republicans think this campaign has done harm to their party. >> okay, jon karl. >>> we're going to move on now to houston. america's fourth-largest ci

let's get right to jon karl. very telling numbers coming in already that could effect donald trump tonight. how important, experience, to these republican voters? >> reporter: this has been a campaign dominated by republican voters who want an outsider and don't care that much about experience. take a look at wisconsin. 48% say they want an outsider, but almost as many, 46%, are saying political experience. that's not good for donald trump. >> and you and i ever single night here talk about the idea of a contested convention, but voters weighing in on this notion of a possible fight brewing? >> reporter: yeah, and wisconsin voters don't like the idea of a contested convention. take a look at this. 55% are saying -- 56% saying that the person who has the most votes should win. only 42% saying, let the delegates decide. that's the only way cruz wins. >> all right, jon karl will be with us all night long. jon, thank you. to turn to the other headlines this evening. first, if tennessee, invels gators on the scene ton

no money for donald trump. >> jon karl tonight, fascinating interview. thank you. >>> we move on to the democrats and hillary clinton ahead in all the states polling tomorrow night. and new comes new talk about who hillary clinton could be considering for vp. abc's david wright with the list tonight. >> reporter: likely to win most if not all of the states tomorrow, tonight, hillary clinton is looking ahead. hitting donald trump. >> don't just fly that big jet in and land it and make a big speech and insult everybody you can think of and then go back, get on that big jet and go back to your country club house in florida or your penthouse in new york. >> reporter: clinton's new ad presents her as a nurturing alternative to the us versus them rhetoric on the republican side. >> america is stronger when we are all supporting one another. >> reporter: today, bernie sanders is sounding more like a candidate who sees the end of the line. >> what this campaign is really about is for all us of together to take on the status quo. >> reporter: the clinton campaign

abc's jon karl is in philadelphia. good morning, jon. >> reporter: good morning, robin. over the weekend in the state of wyoming they held a convention, there were 14 delegates at stake. donald trump was mia out there. ted cruz won all 14 of those delegates. ted cruz is slowly narrowing the gap, but he's still almost 200 delegates behind donald trump and robin, what that means, going forward, trump is the only one realistically can clinch the nomination before the convention in cleveland. but he would need to get 63% of the remaining delegates. as you see, cruz would need 88% and john kasich is mathematically eliminated from clinching before cleveland. trump is about to go very friendly territory. of course, tom was talking about he's poised for a big win in new york. he'll need a big win there. but then the following week, a whole bunch of states in the northeast, including right here in pennsylvania, connecticut, maryland, territory that should be friendly to donald trump. >> all right, jon, you're there in philadelphia for one of our watch parties for our upcoming tow

hillary clinton trying to close in on the nomination as bernie every last delegate, abc's jon karl is here. >> reporter: good morning, robin with five states in the northeast voting tomorrow, hillary clinton is hoping for a clean sweep that put her well on the way toward clinching the democratic nomination. hillary clinton is looking to finally close the deal. >> i will stand up and fight for you through this campaign. all the way to the white house! >> reporter: clinton already has 80% of the delegates she needs to clinch the nomination, but bernie sanders is conceding nothing. >> this campaign is doing well and will win. >> reporter: what do those die-hard sanders' supporters do if hillary clinton wins the nomination? this week, george asked sanders if he would rally his supporters to get behind clinton. >> i can't tell people what to do. make sure that donald trump does not become president of the united states. >> reporter: meanwhile in an exclusive interview with abc news, billionaire charles koch, has spent hundreds of millions of dollars to help elect republicans over the years

they'll stay in but they'll run a message campaign. >> and jon karl, your interview with charles kochif he and his brother sit out this race completely over the fall, that's several hundreds millions dollars that won't be spent for the republicans. >> the kochs aren't going to endorse hillary clinton. but she should welcome them sitting on the sidelines. >> okay, jon karl, matthew dowd, thanks very much. >>> now to a terrifying shooting outside a high school prom, a small town in wisconsin looking for answers this morning after an 18-year-old opened fire on two students before police fatally shot him. abc's neal karlinsky has the latest on the investigation. >> reporter: this morning, police in antigo, wisconsin, trying to understand why this 18-year-old allegedly ambushed his former classmates walked out of their high school prom. >> we have another shooting. >> reporter: police say jackob wagner is a former student at the high school. his insta gram account recently displaying this gun. he opened fire on a teenage boy and girl as they left the dance. both rushed to the hospital with

let's get to that with jon karl.e just saw cruz pick up more delegates in wyoming and other small states yesterday. trump has a healthy lead. the first question. can he get the 1237 delegates he needs before the convention? >> george, trump can clinch this nomination before the convention. he needs to go on a roll. he needs 481 more delegates. that's about 63% of those remaining. here's how he can get there. first of all, new york. over the next nine days, all the contests in the northeast. this is trump's backyard. he's expected to win. he needs to win big in all of those states. because then in the month of may, the contest moves out west. the pacific northwest. nebraska. not areas necessarily trump's strength. most important state in may is the month of indiana. he's going to need to do better than expected in may. no matter what, we're headed to the last day of voting. june 7th. several states. including, most importantly, the state of california. 172 delegates. if trump is going to win this, even if he goes on a

. >> matt dowd in austin and jon karl and let me begin with you. new york city so famous for these unpredictable campaigns and a lot of signs of it yesterday. >> oh, absolutely. this is the point in the campaign, george, where patience has worn thing and temperments are frayed. we've seen that on the clinton side and on the bernie sanders side. today being international buddhist day maybe everybody ought to just take a moment, do a little meditation, maybe take a nap and get back to what the campaign is supposed to be about. >> usually give good advice. i'm not sure anyone will take that advice. to jon karl, the republican speaker of the house paul ryan raising eyebrows some drafting him at a contested convention. he routed it out but raising video. >> what really bothers me the most of politics these days is this notion of identity politics. that we're going to win an election by dividing people. rather than inspiring people on our common humanity and our common ideals and culture on the things that should unify us. >> you hear those piano chords.

in an exclusive interview with abc's jon karl, koch says he likely will not back this year's republicane. >> well, i'll tell you why. we said here are the issues. you've got to be like ronald reagan and be compete on making the country better rather than tearing down your opponents. and right off the bat, they didn't do it. more of these personal attacks and pitting one person against the other. that's the message you're sending the country. that's the way you should -- you're role models and you're terrible role models. so i don't know how we could support them. >> so many people in the country now look at the american economy and they say it is rigged. wages are stagnant. it is rigged. they say it's rigged by those at the top. >> it is. and that's -- that's in the policy area, that's -- that's our number one policy objective to change that. what i call it is -- >> you agree that the system is rigged. >> absolutely. >> is rigged in favor of the wealthiest. >> in favor of companies like ours because we have this corporate welfare that benefits established companies and makes it very dif

. >> and jon karl is going to show us the delegate map that shows why that is the case. im right now. jon, starting with the democrats almost impossible now for bernie sanders to catch up to hillary clinton. >> it sure is, george. hillary clinton had a big night, four out of five states but, of course, it's all about delegates. hillary clinton won 194 delegates last night, bernie sanders, 129. that means she is getting very close to where she needs to be to win, in fact, sanders would need to get 91% of the remaining delegates to clinch. >> and how about the republic >> big, huge night for donald trump. bywo that's more than that. pennsylvania 54 ran under their own names. our team is interviewing them based on that. we project donald trump won 131 delegates last night. that brings his total much closer to where he needs to be, the 1,237. in fact, he needs to get about 47% of those remaining to clinch. >> okay, jon karl, thanks very much. >>> let's talk to donald trump right now. he joins us by phone. mr. trump congratulations on the win. it looks like you won every count

. >> and jon karl with us live in upstate new york tonight. donald trump not ruling out picking marco rubio or scott walker as vp picks, jon, as you heard, after brutally taking them on in the primary. what are they saying about that tonight? >> reporter: well, marco rubio has said he's not interested in being anybody's running mate. when scott walker was asked about the prospect of being trump's running mate, he called it almost breathtaking. but the one thing he didn't do, david, was rule it out. >> all right, jonathan karl with donald trump today. jon, thank you. >>> now, to the dramatic pictures coming in at this hour of a dangerous and powerful storm. parents huddling with their children, as hail exploded through the windows. the ominous clouds rolling in over wiley, texas, unleashing giant hail. coming down with such force, you could see it bouncing off the ground there. blowing out the windows of this house. shattering car windows. and it was terrifying for the families caught in it. abc's phillip mena is north of dallas tonight. >> oh,

the exclusive interview with our jon karl part of a discussion on recent presidents. >> am i hearing you correctly, better president from george w. bush? >> well, in some ways. in other ways he wasn't an as far as the growth in government, increase in spending, it was 2.5 times under bush than it was under clinton. >> is it possible another clinton could be better than another republican this time around? >> it's possible. >> you couldn't see yourself supporting hillary clinton, could you? >> well, that -- her -- we would have to believe her actions would be quite different than her rhetoric, let me put it that way. >> and there will be much more of that interview tomorrow morning on "this week." >>> now to president obama's very busy farewell tour in london celebrating shakespeare, getting in a little golf, and rolling up his sleeves for a town hall meeting with young people. tomorrow he turns to the serious topic of terrorism. abc's terry moran is traveling with the president tonight. >> reporter: four hundred years to the day since shakespeare died, and there was president obama,

here's jon karl. >> reporter: on stage tonight in delaware -- >> go ahead. what the hell.et's have some fun. it's friday, let's have some fun. >> reporter: donald trump sounded like his old self. >> build the wall! build the wall! we will. >> reporter: but behind closed doors, the man now taking charge of his campaign was recorded promising republican officials that trump will tone it down. the audio obtained by the "new york times." >> the part he's been playing is evolving into the part that you've been expecting. but he wasn't ready for. negatives will come down, image will change. >> reporter: he described two trumps. >> when he's in a room, when he's talking business and talking politics, in a private room. it's a different persona. he's projecting an image that's for that purpose. >> reporter: trump himself promised a transformation months ago. >> i will be changing very rapidly. i'm very capable of changing to anything i want to change to. >> reporter: now senator ted cruz -- branded "lyin' ted" by trump -- is turning the insult around. >> he is telling us, he is ly

he declares he'll defeat donald trump at the contested abc's jon karl has the latest. good morning, jon. >> reporter: good morning, george. donald trump had a tough weekend as ted cruz once again outhustled him in the battle for delegates and now trump is crying foul. donald trump is accusing the cruz's campaign of quote, crooked shen begans in the fight for convention delegates. >> they're trying to subvert the movement. they can't do it with bodies or people because they don't have near the people we have. >> reporter: nearly four days off, trump is back on the trail. while trump was away delegates were at play. >> of the 21 delegates we won all 21. >> reporter: over the weekend in colorado which holds a state party convention instead of a primary, cruz made it a clean sweep, predicted he'll have the delegates to win a contested national convention in july. >> on a subsequent ballot we're >> reporter: the cruz campaign said they're outmaneuvering trump because they're more organized. trump's new delegate hunter said the cruz's team is using dirty tricks. even comparin