did jon kyl just do that?the party whip and in charge of wrangling republican votes didn't he just give license by saying a co-op is something republicans won't vote for? >> i think so. look, every single time the democrats make some sort of concession, like i said, they started at single payor. then they went down to a public option. now they're down to a co-op. it's not like the republicans are friendlier to it. look, back when the democrats wanted to propose -- all they wanted to do was expand health insurance for kids. remember that debate two years ago. what was the charge against it? it was socialized medicine. i think now it's pretty clear. most of the republican party simply has no interest in health care reform period. end of sentences. and that is the way they believe. i don't really think you can negotiate with them in good faith. >> but they took themselves off the table. don't we not now have to assume that if the democrats themselves pass weak reform, it is now entirely of their own doing? >> wel

jon kyl is saying he's against it. dot republicans want anything to change? . >> the notion that those tax increases, whether they're automatic or additional ones would pay for the obama tax plans is not so. he claims most of it is going to come from cutting medicare and medicaid expenditures. >> he's not going to cut medicare and medicaid. >> he say wes ear going to cut the reimbursement rates going to the hospital. >> no, no, no. not to the hospitals. mr. istook that's not true. i give you credit -- >> year after year, the claim by congress would save by future cuts. >> the medicare reimbursement rates are going to have to change, there's no question by that. but you're going to get that by repealing the bush tax kwuts. . >> but the money doesn't come from the bush tax cuts. >> you were handed a surplus and we ended up with record deficits, record foreign debt. i want to know, where is the republican plan. if you handed me a plan tonight, what would it be? >> well, there's not one plan that's a democrat plan. there's not one plan that's a republican plan. y

senate republican whip jon kyl used the floor this morning to put his own spin on what he wants to learn from constituents during the recess. >> do you believe your heath care situation is in such a dire straight that we need to take on that kind of debt or are there more targeted ways to resolve the problems that everybody acknowledges exist? >> reporter: a quinnipiac university poll released this week suggests americans are more concerned about runaway deficits than an overhaul of the health care system. pollster peter brown says as lawmakers try to persuade voters in town hall forums, the most effective advocate will likely be president obama. >> voters listen to their president. they may not agree with what he says, they may say, "no, you're wrong." but they listen to what he has to say and he has to be convincing this month. >> reporter: the president rarely misses an opportunity to talk about the issue, including today during remarks about the economy. >> we need health insurance reform that brings down costs, provides more security for folks who have insurance and more affordable

. >> reporter: the final straw may have been a comment by a top republican senator, jon kyl of arizona way that republicans are going to support a trillion dollar bill," kyl told reporters, even if democrats drop the public insurance program the gop so strongly opposes. >> i actually don't think there's any peril in opposing the president's plan at the moment. i think that stopping something bad from happening is the right place to be right now. >> reporter: liberals were already angry that the president seemed to be backing off his demand for a strong public option to compete with private insurance. even as they defend the contentious proposal at their own town halls. >> why do you continue to support a nazi policy, as obama has, expressly supported this policy? why are you supporting it? >> on what planet do you spend most of your time? it is a tribute to the first amendment that this kind of vile contemptible nonsense is to freely propagated. ma'am, trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table. i have no interest in doing it. >> repor

today, republican senator jon kyl issued this warning. >> harry reid said we're going to have the same type of public option. call call it what you want, it is by any other name, it is a trojan horse. >> asked whether the president would favor co-ops as a viable alternative, robert gibbs said today there is not enough detail yet to make any kind of commit many. bret. bret: shannon, thank you. the country's largest over 50's group says it has lost 60,000 members since july 1 because of its support of healthcare reform. the aarp spokesman says the organization gained 400,000 new members during that period and renewed a million and a half. aarp, we are told, normally loses about 300,000 members each month. with the momentum for the so-called public option waning, one of the alternatives mentioned is the co-op system. fox business news correspondent rich ensign has been looking into co-ops. first of all what is a co-op? >> there are a number of co-ops. there are ones for utilities in rural areas and ones for other areas, but the federal government wants to kick in $6 billion to create more

he is reported to sit down with kim jon kyl, the conversation about the releaseof american journalists we're talking about what seems to be a full-blown nuclear standoff, and my little sister and euna lee are seemingly in the midst of this. >> euna lee and -- laura ling and euna lee were arrested while working on a story for current tv. they were sentenced to 12 years in a labor camp. >> if they crossed into rth korean territory, then we profusely apologize on their behalf. we know they neverrentended to do that. >> the north korean government will not grant them amnesty. hillary clinton has called for their release on humanitarian grounds. the hope is that her husband can seek their release and possibly spark a dialogue between north korea and the united states. u.s. officials and the families of these women continuously stressing this is a humanitarian issue. many say north korea is using the women as bargaining chips. they recently resumed a nuclear program and tested ballistic missiles. courtney robinson, abc 7 news. >> thank you. >>> health care will likely be topic number one as

jon kyl said this. >> with the schip expansion, there were efforts to ensure that only eligible peopleder schip, and illegal immigrants would not be eligible. the efforts to ensure that were defeated by democrats, given the fact that illegal immigrants receive care. they go to the emergency room, unfortunately, for most of it. it is a big burden on emergency rooms. greta: can explain a little more for us about what senator kilyl was saying -- can you explain a little more? >> giving health care benefits toç illegal immigrants and workers. çin the past, democrats have blocked efforts by republicans to build in mandatory bands on health care being given to illegal immigrants to -- mandatory bans on health care being given to illegal immigrants. greta: suggesting that illegal immigrants will get health-care coverage under this request at this point, no. there is language in the house bill that would make it so that it would not apply. in the senate, it is expected to be the same kind of thing. greta: i assume that if someone came in from a car accident, an emergency, that is in all diff

. >> jon kyl and charles grassley need to stand up and say, this is what we believe for with health carere a lot of different proposals out there. it is like a kid with straws shooting paper. the teacher is over there. >> that will be the difference. democrats want remote bureaucracy making decisions. republicans are wanting to push ideas, equalize the tax treatment. a small business owners should get the same tax breaks as a large corporation. allow individuals to own health insurance policies, not the government. sean: let me advance this a little bit. dealers have abandoned cash for clunkers because it is not working. max baucus said that social security could be insolvent in two years. medicare is broken. i have a stanford study with the hoover institute that 70% of countries that have socialized medicine do not like it. it needs a complete rebuilding. if america cannot run the current programs they have -- people have faith they can take over 20% of the economy. >> i do not think i have faith. the president misspoke when he talked about the post office being the beacon of efficiency

as well as mccain's fellow arizonan jon kyl already announced they'll vote against her.till she's expected to easily win confirmation. >>> following the arrest of a black harvard scholar by a white police officer, we're seeing that african-americans and whites have a very different take on race relations and how they affect policing in the country. a cnn opinion research poll finds 52% of americans overall believe racism among police officers is common. 44% think it's rare. when broken down by race the numbers are drastically different. 47% of whites said racism among officers is common compared to 86% of blacks. when asked if they felt police treated them unfairly because of race, 6% of whites said yes compared to 66% of blacks. >>> officials say e-mail is largely to blame the the closure of hundreds of postal services. they will record of los of nearly $7 billion this year despite a 2 cent increase in stamps. no final decisions will be made before the end of september. >>> a woman faces a sentence of 40 lashes if convicted by a sudanese court for our fashion. how polic

what you call it, senator majority leader harry reid and talks about this to -- and max baucus -- jon kyl nothing more than a trojan horse. shepard: shannon bream, thanks. to afghanistan. the country is going forward with the election, and militants seem determined to disrupt it. a pair of attacks today. two mortars landed near the presidential palace. we are told the president hamid karzai was not hurt near that strike. hamanother seven people were killed and another attack. they are hoping to the polling places relatively safe for as many people as possible, but with a series of threats, taliban militants are making it clear that casting a vote means risking life and limb. greg reports live from kabul. >> we are just a little away from the voting. the taliban is sending out a g:t(q&y message. now&ere was that message more clear than in the eastern portion of the city of kabul. we were there shortly before a car bomb struck there. a suicide car bombers leaving at least one person killed, two u.n. employees killed, and is typical with these attacks, dozens and dozens of civilians killed a

he joins us now -- jon kyl. >> there are two approaches. there are some problems with cost and access. target those specific problems with specific solutions is the way i would go at it. on the other hand, the way the president and the democrats are going after it is to say let's take the system that we have todpd and totally turned upside control of health-care and insurance, and for those people already have insurance and like what they have, jeopardize that current situation and also jeopardize medich terabyte taking $500 billion in savings, quote, and out of medicare in order to cover more people outside of medicare. neil: let me ask you. how many republicans would go along with a reform efforts as they stand now? you hear there is virtually no support in the house or the senate. you know the senate well. what do you say? >> the bill that has passed the senate committee, i do not think a single republican in the senate which support either of the bills. neil: not a single one? you would not get olympia snowe? >> i do not believe so. now

is what is significant to a lost republicans, and the person talking about this today was senator jon kyl of arizona who is the number two republican senator saying, look, all the democratic senators, and he quote add bunch of them, have said ok, we'll make them look just like the public plan and it will do the same thing. i mean, co-ops aren't as dead as the public plan is, but, boy, they're not off to a good start. bret: democrats, fred, would say republicans then aren't going to sign on to anything. >> i'll tell you one thing they won't sign on to. they won't sign on to a bill when the president runs around talking about how much he wants to cut healthcare costs and he won't do the one thing, as charles has written, that would cut healthcare costs more than anything else, and that is tort reform, to cut back on abusive lawsuits, and the president won't do that, which undermines his entire argument about i want to cut costs. bret: juan, there are a lot of questions about co-ops still. we just don't know. >> we don't know, and i think that i don't agree with fred about tort reform. i thi

that plus comments from another senate republican today, jon kyl, the number two republican ripping the idea of any kind of health care at all. all those taken together is a signal that they are probably going to have to do this with democrats alone. republicans are saying that democrats are using that as an excuse but maybe republicans are giving them one to push forward without them. >> ed henry, if this is true and seriously under consideration it seems a far cry from what we were hearing over the weekend from the white house, from kathleen sebelius, from the president himself, from robert gibbs talking about the public option being one of several things and the key thing is competition and choice. to go from that to suddenly moving forward ramming this thing through it seems like all day today they have been saying nothing is changing. it seems like a lot has changed. >> you are right. that is why they are not pulling the trigger tonight on this. over the weekend it was about the president showing flexibility saturday night on the town hall. maybe there won't be a public option. kat

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jon kyl said he does not think a single republican senator would vote for either the house bill or the one senate bill that made it out of committee so far. after michael steele dared democrats to go it alone, taunting that their reluctance to do so prove democrats know the american people rejected their vision of health care reform. >> don't come up in my face saying i'm an obstacle. you got the votes, mr. president, pass the bill. they could have done it. why didn't they? they know it's poisonous. they know the american people will not tolerate it. >> polls show american not even tolerating, but supporting the option. few americans supporting president obama on health care in general. 46% proving his handling of health care down 57% from april. let's turn to clarence paige, pulitzer prize winning columnist. the "wall street journal" croats an aide saying democratic statements over the weekend that led to confusion among supporters were, quote, calculated to test republican responses. is this rope-a-dope, then pass a democratic plan with or without a single republican vote? is that wh

meanwhile, jon kyl, who is the number two republican in the whole senate, told reporters on a conference call today that dropping the public option still won't get any republicans to vote for the bill. no matter what is in the bill, republicans are not going to vote for the bill. no matter what is on the pizza, kent doesn't want it. maybe it's time for democrats to take the hint. republicans don't want pizza. order exactly what you want. put together the best possible reform bill, purely on the basis of what you think is the best policy for the country, and then forget the republicans. focus on getting all of the democrats in line to vote for it. the republicans are not here to help. and kent is not here to help make a good pizza order. >>> joining us now is richard trumpka, secretary treasure of the afl-cio. he was a very early supporter of then-candidate barack obama. thank you very much for joining us. >> rachel, thanks for having me on. i really appreciate it. >> sam stein of the huffington post today posted an interview with you in which you said democrats who vote against a public

some senators are open to looking at idea but you have members like jon kyl, the number two republicanng signal this week called it trojan horse to a public plan. they don't really buy how this program would work. and i think it's because there aren't that many details so it's allowing opponents to define it as a government takeover, what they've been arguing all along about the public plan. they see it as one in the same. it's hard to see how many more votes this gets because, like i said earlier, not only are republicans concerned about this, but a lot of people on the left who don't like this idea at all and really are fighting for public option. >> okay. mortgage discussion about co-ops coming. >>> waiting for hurricane bill's next move, live to bermuda and cape cod on "msnbc saturday." come on. [ kissing ] come on. good girl. mollie's never looked better. i really was amazed to see the change in her coat. people stop us when we're walking, and they'll say, "did you shine up her spots?" [ woman announcing ] just another way purina one... unlocks the brilliance of nature... to trans

jon kyl says the co-ops are a trojan horse, closed quote, that the republicans won't support. linda sanchez of california is now joining us. congresswoman sanchez, good to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> where do you see the debate going from here, given what seems to be very little republican interest and bipartisanship, do you see this as a democratic only effort and, if so, does that ultimately impact the actual policy that comes both out of the house and the senate? it's interesting, because as my colleague congresswoman waters mentioned, i think president obama has really gone the extra mile and bent over backwards to try to bring republicans to the table, have them propose ideas, and work with them to craft bipartisan legislation and i think increasingly what we are seeing they don't have an interest of putting forth any new ideas of their own. they just are pretty much vetoing and saying no to everything that we are proposing. there's not really a lot of meaningful dialogue and whole segments of republicans in the congress have just said no out of the gate and t

. >> jon kyl said today his party will not support a co-op.ublican plan or do they have no plan and just believe that, well, costs ought to come down maybe if the insurance companies out of the goodness of their heart will bring it down? is that their plan? >> there are a number of things republicans would like. we're talking about tort reform, liability reform and making it a little easier for the she have employed to get the tax breaks and give tax breaks to everybody to make it for affordable. i think it was on "morning joe" yesterday howard dean accidentally told the truth. a politician accidentally told the truth and he's like the guy who goes on stage and reads the director's instructions from the script in addition to the script. and he said that what's going to happen is they're going to take the public option out of the senate bill because it can't get through the senate with it. they'll probably keep it in the house bill because you've got those 100 or so far left liberals that will fight like hell to keep if in there. and then when

jon kyl has said, he doesn't want a single republican vote for any health care bill. >> on that pointip, or the lack thereof, senator hatch, this is what the president said in an interview this week with michael smerconish in philadelphia, about what republicans have made a decision about. let's listen to the president. >> i'm confident we're going to get it done. and as far as negotiations with republicans, my attitude has always been, let's see if we can get this done with some consensus. i would love to have more republicans engaged and involved in this process. i think early on a decision was made by the republican leadership that said, look, let's not give them a victory. maybe we can have a replay of 1993, '94 when clinton came in. he failed on health care and then we won in the midterm elections and we got the majority. and i think there's some folks who are taking a page out of that playbook. >> senator hatch, is he right? for republicans, is health care his waterloo? is that what they want to make it? >> well, i wouldn't call it that, but it's extremely important, because wha

we will also hear from senate republicans lamar alexander and jon kyl on that topic, later. . . >> this is about 20 minutes. >> let me start by a welcoming minister judeh to the state department. our partnership is based on mutual respect and interest and our work together enhances the security and prosperity of both carnations, and we hope, the larger region and the world. today the foreign minister and i discussed a wide range of issues. i think the foreign minister -- i thank the foreign minister for jordan's help. the vision and courage of the late king hussein, and now under the courageous leadership of his majesty king of go up -- abdullah, jordan continues to plague of vital role. we're working with the israelis to help the palestinian authorities to take steps to make that policy. the foreign minister and i discuss this effort and i appreciated -- i expressed our deep appreciation of the jordan state working with other states in deeds as well as work. i also thanked the foreign minister for jordan's help in building a strong iraq and the assistance that they had given to iraqi r

what is interesting about the republicans who said they would not including john mccain and jon kyl from states elected from states that have a large hispanic population and when they do vote against sotomayor you can bet that the democrats will bring this up and say once again republicans are ali a naight a key voting blorks a voting block that president bush won in his two elections but that barack obama won recently. and so democrats will say republicans are mission an opportunity here and then historic nom naifertion the first hispanic justice. but republicans perhaps are going to counter with the fact that barack obama as a sen torks voted against both of gorge bush's nominees, john roberts and sam ma lee to. we'll see a lot of receiptor reck as well as reasons from senators to why they support her or oppose her. all right. samantha haze in washington. thank you. >> coming up, the man with the 63 million-dollar contract is now on the injured list. the future of terrell. and next staying save from spyware doesn't have to cost you a die. feel we'll t sometimes computer problems are en

. >> yeah, you're right, both senators from arizona, jon kyl and john mccain say they this are no. bailey hutchinson from texas a lace no. hard to say if there would be backlash. john mccain support for reelection next year and up against one of the found defers the minuteman, a group against antiimmigration. a he has not comentd on that but i can tell you some retiring republican ten senators are voting in favor. it's hard to gaifnlgt it sounds like people are trying to vote on prince pall pell here. >> coming up in our 7 o'clock hour, back to school is just around the corner and for the parents of teens going to college t can be a difficult transition. and expert is answering your questions in take action thursday. >> and nefnlt a teen accused of committing a violent crime while under police surveillance. is dgps monitoring really working? we g on any girch day in maryland there have hundreds of juvenile owe fend ters tracked with gps. one of the owe fend cers is charged shoot age 5-year-old girl in the head while he was being monitored. some say the system works. other says way