we spoke with republican arizona senator jon kyl. nice to see you. >> thanks greta. >> greta: big crisis this whole debt ceiling. let me take you back to february '09 and the stimulus bill. if the stimulus bill had been more effective in revving up the economy, i take it we would have more revenue and we would be not quite in this crisis or it would be a different crisis. >> this is a different kind of recession. not one in which consumer demand is driving recovery that's why the bush stimulus didn't work. the obama stimulus didn't work. when you take a trillion dollars and basically give it to people to spend and it doesn't move the numbers in fact now, we are at a 2% of growth -- under 2% of growth of gdp last quarter of '09 we were at almost 6%. we've gone downhill. the stimulus did not help. all it did was add to our debt. >> greta: we are all focusing on this problem. once we get through this crisis we have to think down the road. are we on the right track in terms of revving up our economy so we have more revenue because people

we spoke with republican arizona senator jon kyl. nice to see you. >> thanks greta. >> greta: big crisis this whole debt ceiling. let me take you back to february '09 and the stimulus bill. if the stimulus bill had been more effective in revving up the economy, i take it we would have more revenue and we would be not quite in this crisis or it would be a different crisis. >> this is a different kind of recession. not one in which consumer demand is driving recovery that's why the bush stimulus didn't work. the obama stimulus didn't work. when you take a trillion dollars and basically give it to people to spend and it doesn't move the numbers in fact now, we are at a 2% of growth -- under 2% of growth of gdp last quarter of '09 we were at almost 6%. we've gone downhill. the stimulus did not help. all it did was add to our debt. >> greta: we are all focusing on this problem. once we get through this crisis we have to think down the road. are we on the right track in terms of revving up our economy so we have more revenue because people

white house chief of staff bill daley; senate negotiators democrat dick durbin and republican jon kyl; and two members of the so-called gang of six who forged one of the first plans-- senator mark warner and saxby chambliss. it's all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs "face the nation" with cbs news chief washington correspondent bob schieffer. and now from washington, bob schieffer. >> schieffer: good morning again. we start with white house chief of staff bill daley. mr. daley, the republican speaker john boehner now seems to be thinking of a two-part plan here. first, congress would agree to cut spending over the next ten years by a trillion dollars and raise the debt limit enough to meet the country's financial obligations through the end of the year. then, a 12-person bipartisan committee would be formed to find $3 trillion more in savings and making significant cuts in medicare and social security and overhauling the tax code. congress would then take another vote to raise the debt limit before the 2012 elections. democrats and the white house have already s

. >> jon kyl was in negotiations with the vice president. he said there were certain revenue raisers in other areas that we could work on. >> the government reaches its credit limit in august. without an increase, the government cannot spend. insiders say president obama could use the constitutional cause to keep on paying debts even if the nation went over its credit limit. avoid a sweep in atlanta. pete has the details. celebrating a community and a nation. a look at how some residents are commemorating this independence day. >> we have some big thunderstorms. the biggest is in howard county. the reach of a way down to the district of columbia and virginia. we will talk about that on the holiday weekend forecast coming up. >> dozens of folks in baltimore county celebrated at dundalk heritage fair. the offer food, vendors, and patriotic monuments. any money -- eddie money will perform tonight. >> here is your insta-weather plus forecast with john collins. >> keep an eye on the sky. we do have storms in the area. north of the city, we have c

when jon kyl got called on his bullshit his response was to get angry at people for expecting something other than bullshit. ( cheers and applause ) >> jon: in this time of crisis, why can't we just raise the bullshit ceiling? >> this isn't an arbitrary figure like the debt ceiling. this is real. and if we can't cut the bullshit, then there's only one solution: we as a nation need to start replacing shit with farts from our butt. >> jon: come on, jason. >> watch. factual assessments of reality- based truths. or farts, as they're called. we need politicians and journal i haves willing to call bullshit on the bullshit. >> jon: you said the farts would come from our butt. >> yes. bold, uncompromising truth telling. why? what did you? oh, farts from our butt. jon, grow up. vo: if you like facebook, come to best buy. where an expert will find the perfect phone for you. like the at&t htc status. it let's you post instantly to facebook with a push of a button. and it's just $49.99. with no mail in rebates. of course, just because you can share on a whim, doesn't mean you should. the at&t htc s

when jon kyl got called on business bull (beep) response was to get angry at people to expect something other than bull (beep). ( cheers and applause ) >> jon: jason, why can't we just in this time of crisis, why can't we just raise the bull (beep) kreel something. >> jon, this isn't an arbitrary figure like the debt ceiling. this is real. and if we can't cut the bull (beep), then there's only one solution. we as a nation need to start replacing (beep) with farts from our butt. >> jon: come on, jason. >> factual assess manys of reality-based truths or farts. we need politicians and journalists willing to call bull (beep) on the bull (beep). >> jon: but you said the farts would come from our butt. >> yes. bold, uncompromising truth telling. butt. why, what did you? oh, farts from our butt. jon, grow up. >> jo with the hotels.com 48-hour sale, the possibilities are endless. interesting... save up to 50% this tuesday and wednesday only. hotels.com. be smart. book smart. ( cheers and applause ) >> jon: welcome back. my guest tonight starring in how to succeed in business without really tryi

we'll be joinedly jon kyl who has been there a long time.e'll get his assessment on how this will all end up. premiering the revolution by lg. the newest release with verizon 4g lte. the first phone pre-loaded with access to netflix's massive movie library. powered by verizon 4g lte for an unparalleled streaming experience. see how mobile entertainment was meant to be seen. only with verizon 4g lte. now get the revolution by lg for $199.99 and receive 3 months of netflix free. martha: we are awaiting a house gop meeting. the members are going to get together at the top of the hour, put their heads together after a very rough night last night. so let's go over to the senate side and take a look at this. south carolina senator lindsey graham sat down with gretta and here is his take on all of this. >> we haven't taken the case to the american people. we have had behind the scenes negotiations that ended and everybody is look around with the august 2 deadline. let's get some time to construct the balanced budget amendment and cut and cap progra

budget director jack lew and senator jon kyl. two people who are around the negotiating table.n the meantime, also the report about wanting to go back to the grand bargain. president said he wanted to do that. speaker boehner said he wants to do that. the question is whether they can get elements on board to pass such a thing. that also is something that is being required right now by the ratings agency. moodys. standards & poors. said they must have some credible deficit reduction plan, 4 trillion or so over the next 10 years because of the way they are looking at the u.s. dollar and threatening to downgrade u.s. credit worthiness, and that would be -- add to the catastrophic woes a default can bring. >> the administration said itself if we don't have a plan by this friday, we will not meet the august 2nd deadline. all right. cristiane, a lot of tension there in washington. be sure to join christiane where she sits down with office of management and budget, jacob lew and senate minority whip jon kyl on "this week." >> for a check of the morning top stories, filling in for ron

. >> jon kyl was in negotiations as you know with the vice president. he said there were certain revenue raisers and other areas that perhaps we could work on. >> reporter: senator john mccain won't say exactly what "revenue raisers" are, but he says he and some other republicans aren't necessarily opposed. it sounds a lot like what president obama and democrats have been asking for. but republicans insist that if revenue raisers is code for tax increases, that's a deal breaker. senator john cornyn says he's no fan of a debt ceiling extension but it may have to happen. >> the problem with a mini deal is we have a maxi problem. and that big problems aren't going to go away if you cut a mini deal. >> reporter: and he blasted an idea suggested by some democrats that the u.s. constitution empowers the president to keep on spending, even if uncle sam goes over his credit limit. brian moore, nbc news, washington. >>> for u.s. troops in keerg astan, it's already the fourth of july. service members at the u.s. transit center held a cookout to celebrate independ

republican jon kyl and democrat dick durbin. we'll hear from the house majority whip, republican kevin mccarthy. also, the recovering economy takes another hit. we'll ask our sunday panel if the debt ceiling standoff has made things worse or if a deal might ease the economic pain. we look back to what a roller coaster of a week it was in washington. all right now on "fox news sunday." hello again from fox news in washington. after a tension-packed day on capitol hill, filled with bitter partisan sniping, both republicans and democrats are now saying significant progress has been made toward a deal that would avert a government default. we'll take a look at the framework of the compromise with two senate leaders and a top house g.o.p. official. but first we begin with the white house view. and gene sperling, the director of the national economic council. director sperling, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you, bret. >> bret: saturday, the debt ceiling negotiation shifted back to the white house. here is what we are hea

. >> jon kyl was in negotiations as you know with the vice president. he said there were certain revenue raisers and other areas that perhaps we could work on. >> reporter: senator john mccain won't say exactly what revenue raisers are. but he says he and some other republicans aren't necessarily opposed. it sounds a lot like what president obama and democrats have been asking for. but republicans insist that if revenue raisers is code for tax increases, that's a deal breaker. senator john kcornyn -- >> the problem with a mini deal, we have a maxi problem. big problems aren't going to go away if you cut a mini deal. >> reporter: he blasted an idea suggested by some democrats that the u.s. constitution empowers the president to keep on spending even if uncle sam goes over his credit limit. brian mooar, nbc news, washington. >>> here is your first look at some of the other news going on around america today. a violent thunderstorm tore through washington, d.c., yesterday where a 56-year-old cyclist was killed by a falling tree limb. at one point in the af

. >> jon kyl was in negotiations as you know with the vice president, and he said there were certain revenue raisers and other areas that perhaps we could work on. >> reporter: senator john mccain won't say exactly what "revenue raisers" are are, but he says he and some other republicans aren't necessarily opposed. it sounds a lot like what president obama and democrats have been asking for. but republicans insist that if revenue raisers is code for tax increases, that's a deal brea r breaker. senator john corn inyn says he'o fan of the debt ceiling extension but it may have to happen. >> the problem with a mini deal is we have a maxi problem. big problems aren't going to go away with a mini deal. >> reporter: he blasted an idea suggested by some democrats that the u.s. constitution empowers the president to keep on spending, even if uncle sam goes over his credit limits. brian moore, nbc. >>> next at 6:00, it was a historic day where voters made a decision like they've never made before. we'll have local reaction straight ahead, plus -- >>> it was like looking through wax paper. >>

on face the nation, ears senator jon kyl said that would satisfy the republican aim of offsetting any increase in the debt ceiling with equal or greater cuts in spending. >> if we can reduce spending by a trillion dollars, then we extend the debt ceiling a trillion dollars worth and that would take it at least through the end of this year. >> but the president warned on friday he would veto that approach. president obama called for an increase in the debt ceiling. >> we have to extend this debt ceiling through the next election, into 2013. >> treasury secretary time geithner argued today that anything less would inject too muchen certainty into a weak dme. >> we can't adopt a approach that leaves the threat of deal hanging over the country. that would be deeply irresponsible to do. >> both sides blame the other for dragging the economy to the brink over of all things raising the debt ceiling, a typically uneventful affair congress has successful carried out more than 70 times. >> i would just say to to speaker boehner the president negotiated directly with you in good faith twice and

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. >> jon kyl was in negotiations, as you know, with the vice president, and he said there were certain revenue raisers and other areas that perhaps we could work on. >> some democrats have also suggested that even without a deal the president can keep spending. they're citing the 14th amendment that says the debt of the federal government "shall not be questioned." >>> we're following several big stories in the week ahead. on wednesday a grand jury is set to hear new charges against the bus driver behind the wheel in a deadly crash on i-95 near king's dominion in may. charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter for the four passengers who died. each charge carries up to ten years in prison. >>> president obama's taking to the virtual world to talk about the economy and the job market. the president will hold his first ever twitter town hall this wednesday. the white house made the announcement last week. people can submit questions using the hash tag "askobama." one word. the commander in chief held a similar event on facebook earlier this year. >>> and it will be the end of a

sunday, we'll have the key players from all sides: white house chief of staff bill daley and senators jon kyl, dick durban, mark warner and saxby chambliss. that's sunday on "face the nation." oslo, norway, is where the nobel peace prize is awarded, but today the city known for peace was marred by terrible violence. a powerful bomb exploded near the prime minister's office. he was not hurt, but at least seven people are dead and 15 were injured there. shortly after that, a man dressed in a police uniform opened fire with a rifle on a group of young people at a resort island. police say at least nine were killed there. an arrest was made in that shooting and police believe the two incidents are connected. we begin our coverage with jeff glor in oslo. jeff? >> reporter: bob, good evening to you. oslo is clearly a city shaken tonight. the prime minister of norway called this day "brutal." the explosions ripped through downtown oslo at 3:30 local time. the first images: windows blown out, rubble in the streets, huge plumes of smoke, evoking memories of terror attacks elsewhere but up until now, n

. >> jon kyl was in negotiations with the vice president. he said there are areas that perhaps we could work. >> john mccain would not say what revenue raisers are. he said they are not opposed. it sounds all like what president obama and democrats have been asking for. republicans insist if revenue or razors is code for tax increases, that is a deal breaker. john corning is no fan of the debt ceiling extension. >> the problem is we have a maxi problem. the problems won't go away if you cut a mini deal. >> some democrats say the constitution empowers the president to keep on spending even if all sam goes over its credit limit. brian moore, wbal-tv 11 news. >> the 14th amendment says the debt of the federal government should not be questioned. if lawmakers cannot reach an agreement before the august 2 defaulted by, democrats hope the president will use the constitutional clause. joe biden spoke at the annual convention in chicago. this is the nation's largest labor union. the union will vote on whether to endorse president obama for reelectio

and tomorrow on "this week," arizona republican senator, jon kyl, among the guests. intimately involved in those behind-the-scenes talks. >>> we turn overseas tonight and to a cry for help from one of the most desperate places on earth. hundreds of thousands of families, mothers and children, fleeing the drought in somalia. abc news is the first network to report from the scene. tonight, our lama hasan reports on the disaster in the desert. she's in kenya, at a refugee camp bursting at the seams tonight. >> reporter: they are exhausted. starving and desperate for help. >> the drought is turning one of the world's worst humanitarian crises into a human tragedy of unimaginable proportion. >> reporter: these families are carrying only what they can. their malnourished kids. they have survived an agonizing journey. little food or water, through dusty, desolate land. >> our children are dying. this one just died in my arms. >> reporter: these somali refugees have just arrived here. they've been walking for weeks get food and water. at a nearby camp, we find mukhtar with h

. >> jon kyl was in negotiations with the vice president. he said there were certain revenue raisers that perhaps we could work on. >> john mccain will not say what revenue raisers are. he says he and some other republicans are not opposed. it sounds all like what president obama and democrats have been asking for. thatblicans insist if r is code for tax increases, that is a deal breaker. jon corzine says this may have to happen. >> the problem with a mini deal is that we have a maxi problem. >> he blasted an idea that the u.s. constitution empowers the president to keep on spending even if uncle sam goes over the credit limit. brian moore, wbal-tv 11 news. >> the 14th amendment says the debt of the government shall not be questioned. if lawmakers cannot reach an agreement, democrats hope president obama will use that clause to can see to pay the nation's debts. the inner harbor is gearing up for the fireworks display. kim dacey joins us live with more on what we can expect. >> it has been a weekend full of celebrations. tonight is supposed

that was delivered by arizona senator jon kyl this morning. >> president obama is simply too committed to the european style of big government, that his policies have set in motion. to democrats in washington, the answer isn't to cut spending, but to raise taxes and keep on spending. republicans believe we must solve our debt crisis. and we believe we can solve it if democrats will work with us. >> all right. we do have our correspondents up early this morning. athena jones at the white house for us this morning, also our joe johns, keeping an eye on capitol hill. joe, let me start with you, forget all the symbolic votes, the one we saw yesterday could see another one today this early afternoon. forget that stuff. what is a real possibility of happening right now? how are they going to get this done? >> okay. first, you got to say, this is a poisonous environment on capitol hill and in washington in general, but the way the democrats have been able to do this before is they've reached out to a group of potentially persuadable senators in the middle. these would be people who can sort o

white house budget director and republican senator jon kyl appeared on abc's this week. >> unless the president gets off his absolute obsession with raising taxes, republicans are not going to agree to do anything that will harm our economy. job killing taxes will harm our economy, so there will be not be a default but as to whether or not we can achieve savings in the process, again, depends on the president. >> i think the president has shown that he is willing to move into a space that is very hard place for democrats to go. the challenges can we find a place where there will be some kind of fairness and balance. your leadership takes partnership, as well. the president has shown a willingness to go there. we need a partner to work with. >> as both sides continue to hash things out, president obama is showing gains by independent voters by his willingness to move to the middle. >> foreclosed homes are being auctioned off at record low prices. this weekend the competition was intense. lisa amin gulezian takes to us an auction in oakland where first time home buyers were trying to ou

hear what senator jon kyl said overt weekend. >> what if it won't pass the senate? mr. it won't pass the senate. what do you do then? >> the president will have to answer a tough question, is my re-election more important to me than the default of the ooh neated states. as the leader of the united states he has to be first and foremost concerned with our creditworthiness. i can't imagine he would sacrifice the credit worth these necessary of the united states because he does not want to deal with this before his campaign. >> we are joined by broad blakeman, johby brad blakeman and marianne. jon kyl is retiring but he says the president is way too focused on it. >> you heard kay bailey hutchinson say it's time for the posturing to stop. any republican that is opposing a two-year term is playing politics. any republican opposing a deal without revenue in it is playing politics. that is exactly where the congress is right now. they would like to have this debate two or three more times during this election. the more time we have to debate the debt the more we focus on jobs

republican senator jon kyl says the gop needs details from the president before shaking hands. >> i'm frustrated. you heard it in the press conference of the president. you heard it today from the administration spokesman. they're never willing to be specific about the reductions in spending that they would be willing to do. >> the debt ceiling, possible default, and washington rhetoric are a little too wongy to get excited about, no one knows exactly what will happen if we don't raise the debt ceiling. we talked to alan blinder, former vice chairman of the federal reserve. he says government payments could be slower to come out if they come out at all. interest rates could rise. some of the experts we talked to said the u.s. could, could, get pushed back into a recession. >>> looks like microsoft may be getting into the social networking game. a reporter happened upon the welcome page for tulalip. it was taken down. now it says it was an internal design page mistakenly published to the web. >>> not everything is friendly in the social media world. app developer michael johnson was lo

>> candy, jon kyl was in negotiations as you know with the vice president. he said there were certain revenue raises, and to say that we're raising anybody's taxes is a principle we promised the american people last year and we have to stick to. >> could you share what sort of revenue raisers might be okay with you? >> no. >> you're no fun. thank you for take the time this morning. >> thank you for having me on, candy. >>> up next, "making it in america," our all-star line up on the american dream and how to save it. up on the american dream and how to save it. >>> we turn now to our special on the american dream, the opportunity to live well and prosper. no matter who you are or the specifics of your dream it likely begin wz a job. where have all the good ones gone? joining me the cofounder of aol and the start up america, steve case. >> thank you for having me here. >> give us an overview of what people know about the job market. private businesses are not making enough, and there are not enough startup companies to go online to create enough jobs. the mai

you are running for the senate to replace senator jon kyl in arizona and the democrats have come out and tagged you a flip flopper. the ink and the even try on your vote. >> the bill changed. myself and several other conservatives went to the speaker and others and said we would like to have the balanced budget amendment part of the bill. it wasn't before. we stood for cut, cap and balance. the boehner bill had cut and cap but it didn't have the balance and they were able to add that and therefore it got my vote. i don't begrudge those who voted against it. >> greta: why do you think there are those that voted against it? where is your difference with him. >> i voted for cut cap and balance. i think that is the right the approach. i think the other bill was far, far, far superior to the one we voted on today. just a close call as to whether or not you think it as good message to send to have the senate have to pick up another bill. so i don't begrudge those who voted against it. like i said, it wasn't an easy call for me but i felt that it has o had the balanced budget mendment as pa

>> candy, jon kyl was in negotiations as you know with the vice president. he said there were certain revenue raisers, and to say that we're raising anybody's taxes is a principle we promised the american people last year and we have to stick to. >> could you share what sort of revenue raisers might be okay with you? >> no. >> you're no fun. thank you for take the time this morning. >> thank you for having me on, candy. >>> up next, "making it in america," our all-star lineup on the american dream and how to save it. >> so, ah, your seat go? got the mirrors all adjusted? you can see everything ok? just stay off the freeways, all right? i don't want you going out on those yet. and leave your phone in your purse, i don't want you texting. >> daddy... ok! ok, here you go. be careful. >> thanks dad. >> and call me--but not while you're driving. we knew this day was coming. that's why we bought a subaru. 14 clubs. that's what they tell us a legal golf bag can hold. and while that leaves a little room for balls and tees, it doesn't leave room for much else. there'

senator minority whip jon kyl drew the line in the sand on sunday. >> nervounless the president gef his absolute obsession with raising taxes, republicans won't do anything to harm our economy. job-killing taxes harm our economy. there will not be a default. as to whether or not we can achieve savings in the process dpentding on the president. >> i did not hear the world probably. i heard the word not. republicans would rather see the markets crash, unemployment go through the roof and americans in bread lines before they raise one damn dime in taxes. when it comes to the debt crisis, republicans are only interested in playing rush roulette with the stupid catchphrases. >> let's let the american people decide if they want like cutting spends, capping the growth in government and requiring a balanced budget amendment to the constitution. let's have a national debate. >> to cut cap and balance plan in the house. >> cut the deficit, put a straitjacket on it and balance the budget, the cut, cap and balance. >> i want to make sure we cut spending here in washington. i want to make smur we ha

you are running for the senate to replace senator jon kyl in arizona and the democrats have come out and tagged you a flip flopper. the ink and the even try on your vote. >> the bill changed. myself and several other conservatives went to the speaker and others and said we would like to have the balanced budget amendment part of the bill. it wasn't before. we stood for cut, cap and balance. the boehner bill had cut and cap but it didn't have the balance and they were able to add that and therefore it got my vote. i don't begrudge those who voted against it. >> greta: why do you think there are those that voted against it? where is your difference with him. >> i voted for cut cap and balance. i think that is the right the approach. i think the other bill was far, far, far superior to the one we voted on today. just a close call as to whether or not you think it as good message to send to have the senate have to pick up another bill. so i don't begrudge those who voted against it. like i said, it wasn't an easy call for me but i felt that it has o had the balanced budget mendment as pa

jon kyl are going down to it one more time this afternoon. whatever additional time there president requests, we hope and we will get somewhere. thanks a lot. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] >> senators will continue debating that debt and deficit next week while house members take up another spending bill dealing with energy and water programs. keep up to date with c-span's congressional chronicle, a comprehensive resource with video of every house and senate session, both records, the daily schedules, committee hearings, and more information about your elected officials. it is that c-span.org/congress. next, look at the suggestion that president obama could invoke the 14th amendment to the constitution and declare the debt ceiling unconstitutional. from "washington journal," this is 40 minutes. host: we will back with michael abramowicz here to talk about the 14th amendment section for the constitution. we showed it to you. professor, how did this provision end

. >> jamie: meanwhile, arizona snort jon kyl, delivering the republican address and accusing the democrats to use the debt crisis to raise taxes instead of viewing it as an opportunity to rein in spending. >> unfortunately, after weeks of negotiations it became clear that democrats in washington did not view this crisis as an opportunity to rein in spending. instead, they saw it as an opportunity to impose huge tax increases on american families and small businesses. president obama is simply too committed to the european style of big government that his policies have set in motion. to democrats in washington, the answer isn't to cut spending, but to raise taxes and keep on spending. democrats claim they would only target the privileged few, but behind the scenes, they argue for much broader tax increases. >> jamie: now, we're keeping an eye on both the house and senate and fox is the place to be. you will not miss any of the action as this all moves forward. the senate is expected to vote early sunday morning to cut off debate on its own debt ceiling plans. keep it right here, kelly. >> k

>> well, first of all, mitch mcconnell and jon kyl have been in the room for most of the negotiationsnd the speaker and mitch mcconnell are in constant contact. i don't think that senator mcconnell is being left out at all. and i think that certainly he is being consulted by the speaker about what kinds of things the republicans in the senate could live with and what they couldn't. because the house is a very different arm. it has different rules, as you know, and what can get through there and what's acceptable there is very different from senators. >> how important was this clarification from grover norquist, a lot of people including yourself, have signed this taxpayer pledge. how important was it that he said, well, the bush tax cuts, if they somehow expired, that wouldn't technically be a violation of the pledge. and he went on to say he doesn't want to see it and all this stuff, but he still said it wouldn't technically violate the pledge and suddenly today we're hearing that's one of the two big penalties being debated. it sounds like that the republicans needed grover to say t

white house budget director jack lew and republican senator jon kyl. and the "roundtable" debate the politics of the divide. plus -- >> i apologize. >> rupert murdoch under fire. heads s ll at his media empire, but will that be enough to save it? >>> and in africa, a cry for help. millions, threatened by an epic drought, the worst in 60 years. we'll take you there. then, we're live from germany where the american woman's soccer team has a shot at making history. >> announcer: live from the newseum in washington, "this week" with christiane amanpour starts right now. >>> welcome to the program. we've got lots to get to this morning. but, first, some headlines since your morning papers. there is breaking news to report in london. the bbc has learned that rebecca brooks, rupert murdoch's top lieutenant in the uk has been arrested on suspicion of corruption. earlier she resigned from her position as chief executive of news international. in the wake of the scandal rocking the murdoch empire. much more on this developing story later in the program. >>> case

here's the guy who counts votes on the senate side, arizona republican senator jon kyl. >> the countrydefault whether or not there are savings in the process remains the question. at the end of the day, there will not be a default. >> dan balz is the national political reporter and the chief for "the washington post," and author of "the take." and beth reinhart is a political correspondent for the "national journal." welcome all of you. let's start with this week, dan. you've been around washington longer than everybody. i'm not just saying that because off grayer beard than i do, but this week of show votes is, we know that nothing is going to come about and any of these votes are going to pass, but why are they necessary? >> because, a, they don't have anything real to do. they feel they have to do something for a lot of the freshman republicans. they want to take these votes to show the people back home that they're doing exactly what they said they would do. but it's a, you know, it's a a charade and i think everybody recognizes that. we talked about, there's not going to be a defa

eric cantor, jon kyl left those talks when it became apparent that they weren't making progress. so finally the president took personal ownership and responsibility. i'm glad he did because only he and john boehner and mitch mcconnell are going to be able to leach a deal. there's not much time left to do that. i hope they go big. i hope we take advantage of this opportunity rather than have to deal with a piecemeal approach. >> woodruff: if democrats are prepared to give ground on entitlements on medicare and medicaid why can't republicans give some ground on the question of taxes especially, you know, we're talking about corporate taxes, doing away with tax breaks for people who own private jets? >> we're happy to talk to the president about tax reform, which is a commission, the simpson-bowles commission last december recommended. a lot of that is a good place to have a good extended discussion and to make our tax code flatter, fairer and simpler and also to make our companies more competitive when it comes to job creation here at home. but what it sounds like the president rea