a man with plenty of knowledge, fox news contributor, now, jon kyl. we have a former colleague, ben cardin, democratic senator. he said what they have rolled out this week, which made it through the senate budget committee, is a balanced plan. yes, it has a lot of new tex revenue, but it's the only way to be fair. your response? >> well, it might come as no surprise, i disagree with my good friend, ben cardin. i was pleased to see both ben and the guest this morning with chris exude an optimistic tone about how they might be able to get together and make this work. they should approach it that way. i think in thhearts, they are hoping to be able to do that. however, there is an enormous gap between the two budgets. the house budget balances in 10 years. the democratic budget doesn't purport to ever balance. the democratic budget would raise taxes by $twenty1 trillio. the house budget issues more tax increases, basically saying, we did that on january 1, about two-thirds of a trillion dollars in new tax increases and we don't need a balanced approach t

former is not jon kyl of arizona back in '09 wanted to cut a part of obama care, are cut out of it the required employers to cover basic maternity care because it made everyone's insurance more expensive. >> i don't need maternity care and so requiring that to be in my insurance policy is something that i don't need and will make the policy more expensive. >> that's big thinking. anyway, a colleague of his later pointed out kyl's mother likely needed such services at one point. then there was the fiasco over aide for states affected by hurricane sandy. 67 house republicans voted against providing flood insurance against sandy victims. 37 of them have a history of supporting aid after natural disasters when their own states were affected. missouri congressman sam graves was one of them. but here is what he said in 2011 when his state was dealing with a severe flood damage. quote, i urge the president to a approve this assistance without delay. many communities along the river have been stretched to the limit preparing for and fighting this unprecedented flood. finally, oklahoma senator

helping them out so other people that are actually enter this private arena include retired senator jon kyl he'll actually be working with joe lieberman he at the american enterprise institute he's also working for covington and burling z. . government affairs practice so he'll be doing that retired senator kay bailey hutchinson will be working for bracewell and giuliani law firm that is a firm that actually supports energy banking in transportation issues so all things that she dealt with as a u.s. senator ben nelson like i mentioned for the he was the big one that supported obamacare and now he's actually potentially profiting off it and finally retired senator olympia snowe she's joined the bipartisan policy policy center that's a place where so many senators and congresspeople have gone to in the past it's a very well respected place but again it does put a question on that list keeps going on and on and on doesn't it thanks ladies appreciate you both weighing in that was host of artie's breaking the set abby martin in our to correspond to make a little. sugary drink sugary drink lovers

then another senator who makes a crass joke about it, not me, not my problem, reminds me of senator jon kylsing the health care bill in 2009. >> first of all, i don't need maternity care, so requiring that to be in my insurance policy is something i don't need and will make the policy more expensive. >> if i can object with my colleague, i think your mom probably did. >> okay. >> senator kyl has the floor. >> over 60 years ago, my mom did. >> getting a clearer picture, perhaps some republican lawmakers need to be gay to support equality or come out of the closet. they need to be gay to come out of the closet and des suit to understand the need for health care, unemployment insurance and retirement security and the like. let's bring in richard wolffe, vice president and executive editor of msnbc.com, michelle goldberg, contributing writer at "newsweek" and "the daily beast" and from the huffington most. >> a chance to say something a bit less ridiculous, even if he were not prepared to change his view, isn't that right? >> look, faced with being a member of what bobby jindal called the stupi

bill: i want to talk about this with former arizona senator jon kyl, a fox news contributor. >> thanks, good to be with you. bill: what do you think of karl rove is arguing there. >> he's exactly right. both parties have their problems, they always have, they always will. if you look at why republicans lost elections recently a lot of it had to do with the candidates themselves and i think the campaigns that were run. for example we lost two senate seats that we should have won because our candidates said some things which were easily manipulated by the democrats. let's just put it that way. they weren't the smartest comments in the world. you can't blame the party for those defeats. i think you have to analyze why elections were won or lost and both parties will make their adjustments, but i agree with karl rove the republican party is very much alive and well. bill: one of the things he said was that in 2010 the largest number of state legislators who were republicans were elected since 1920. a lot of that midterm vote had to do with the healthcare law, did it not? >> it di

joined by former arizona senator jon kyl who is now a fox news contributor. the first appearance in that role, we welcome you back to the role. senator, good to see you this morning. >> thanks very much, martha. good to be with you. martha: you're obviously from arizona and spent so much of your career thinking about and talking about these issues with regard to border safety. what was your reaction when you heard as a result of the sequester they would start to release hundreds if not thousands of illegal immigrants from detention september terse. >> incidentally, our governor, jan brewer, shared the concerns of texas governor perry about the number of people and the way they're being released and asked the same question, who exactly these people are. martha: sure. >> i was confused at first because there were a lot of different stories coming out of the department of homeland security. it was00, then thousands. it was made by people on down the line. no, it was made by people at the highest levels. really wasn't related to sequester. well, yes it was. i'm n

second, we had a broad agreement everybody from ted kennedy or jon kyl.the time of getting to the floor really allowed a lot of -- they have improved. show to put facts in it. people understand while it's not time to say we have accomplished border security. you have to recognize there's been a lot of progress. that has to be part of . >> we're going come to you next signal. if you have a question the microphone is coming to you. we have a question from dwit -- twitter. how is the deor ituation of the manufacturing base a third of job in the last decade created homeland security threats jump up? >> well, i think there's a lot to be said for -- it's kinding interesting restoring manufacturing is in the united states you can look right to the homeland security arena and take a look at critical pieces of our infrastructure that we have offshore. and so if you have the problem with the electronic grid and other areas of the economy, the dependency of our international dependency on foreign forces is a natural security problem. and so i think it's legitimate t

senator jon kyl took us there. and they had just suffered through the same financial catastrophe in 2007-2008 that we had, and it hit them worse. they had a larger drop in g.d.p. than we did. it was very, very damaging. and they had to decide what to do about it. so they began to consider what to do about it. and they didn't go for this idea that we had to borrow, borrow, borrow so we can keep spending because the revenue had dropped so much and they were going to keep spending at the same level. that wasn't what the estonians decided to do. this new democracy, this free enterprise, free country, so excited about their future. you know what they did? they cut spending. they cut spending big time, big time. this is what the cabinet member told me. we had dinner, a group of us. he said cabinet people had their pay cut 60%. it would be 40%. our pay was cut 40%. and he said but i will tell you who is really mad and giving me a hard time. i said who is that? he said my wife. she is a doctor. we hammered them, too. and t

although we had a broad agreement, everybody from ted kennedy over to jon kyl, the time between gettinghe agreement and getting it to the floor, it allowed a lot of erosion from both the right and left in terms of what it did not like about plan. the third thing is, you do have to send a message that things -- you have to put facts out there, so that people understand that while we have not accomplished border security, you got to realize the progress. >> if you have a question, i will go to a question on twitter. how is the deterioration of our manufacturing base, one-third of jobs in the last decade, created new homeland security threats? jump ball. >> there is a lot to be said -- it is interesting -- to restoring manufacturing in the united states. you can look right to the homeland security arena and take a look at critical pieces of our infrastructure that we have offshore, so that you have a problem with the electric grid or other areas of our economy, the dependency on foreign sources of some basic manufacturing goods as a national-security problem. -- is a national-security prob

in fact, a few years ago i remember former senator jon kyl and i had a pretty good debate on this floor about an important project for the city of white fish, montana. so we debated and we took a vote on it in the senate. and that is why i am so upset by two agricultural-related provisions someone from the house of representatives put into this bill and that the senate seems willing to accept. i don't know who authored this provision, maybe somebody in washington knows but no one is willing to put their name on it and that's a shame. it's a shame that folks who get so bent out of shape about earmarks did not seem to be troubled by these provisions. mr. president, montana is home to thousands of working families that make a living off the land. they're family farmers and ranchers. the house of representatives is prepared to toss those working families aside in favor of the nation's large meat packing corporations. the house inserted in a provision in the bill that gives enormous marketing power to america's three largest meatpacking organizations while stifg farmers and etch ranchers. fa