jon meacham probably knew this. had been on a trip to india and they had given him a statue of the hindu god with a plaque that elaborately described all of the attributes, his omniptence so mr. bush began referring to himself as the vishnew and when we would get on air force one for a trip, this oz-like view was come over the p.a. system and say "this is the vishnew speaking. the vishnew is well pleased by today's event in baton rudolph giuliani -- rouge." >> but you say he was actually a very humble man who took delight, you say boyish delight in kicking the pedestal out from underneath -- >> he did. well, no, that's not true that we're just beginning to appreciate what a fine man we had in the oval office, but if there is any doubts, jon meacham's book will disspell them. but no, for a flinty, blue-blood yankee, george bush had the tear ducts of a sicilian grandmother. he would cry at the playing of the national anthem. he had a very warm heart. there was a story he liked to tell about reagan. may i tell it? >> y

joining me jon meacham and sarah m margone. the report, a red line established but sounds like it's been crossed and crossed again. can you give us more details on what the syrian government has done to its own people. >> sure. the scale of abuse is incredibly staggering. what we've seen is the use, apparent use of chlorine being dropped out of barrel bombs from helicopter and evidence suggests it's the reegime because they have the aircraft, the helicopters. it civilians who are stuck while barrel bombs this time of chlorine rain on top of them and they have little defense. >> john, you recently wrote a piece about the president's foreign policy. on syria and specific, one gets a sense that he is a man conflicted and it weighs on him, that piece of sound we played at top of the segment i think speaks to that. you wrote obama's choosing limit action in many snee spheres bec more expansive action would create more problems than it would solve. we should not seek out monsters to deploy, you compare that to cowboy diplomacy or lac

with us son set jon meacham. hello. >> yes, ma'am. good morning. >> did you have a good mother's day? >> yes, we did very well, i think. i don't know if she would share that. >> i think she might have some criticism. >> there could be. but there are three of them. you figure the odds work out eventually. >> willie geist, did you do well? >> feedback was positive. with the help of my children i should point out. >> they're so cute. thank god. >> did well. >> visiting professor at nyu, former democratic congressman harold ford jr. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> first mother's day. >> first mother's day. had a wonderful day. >> and on your birthday. >> 44th birthday. you can imagine i was subordinated. three of us spent the day together yesterday. did you do the work? >> i did a lot of it. >> that's a political answer, did you notice that? >> i could tell. all right. and in washington, columnist and associate editor for "the washington post," david ignatius. david has a new book coming out in a few weeks. it's called "the director.

child actors. >> a stroller and baby. >> jon meacham is here, which of the greek philosophers does thatcity of angles remind you of the most? >> tusididis. >> that's what you said off air. >> i did. that's why i had meacham on. >> she is gorgeous. can i do one? remember when you said that you had two burritos yesterday? >> no. i don't know what you're talking about. >> you said i was handed two burritos and i ate them. this is what came to my mind. take a look. ♪ >> i can totally see you at the table doing that. >> we've all been there. 2:00 a.m., long night, couple burritos in front of you. >> my gosh. >> that's amazing. >> let's get another burrito. he wants oanother one. fill up his cheeks. >> made me hungry. did doesn't that remind you of yourself yesterday 4:00 p.m. eastern time? >> we watch this and think somebody got up in the morning and say i'm going to set up a camera, i'm going to get my buddy the hamster and make him burritos. >> welcome to the wonderful world. >>> coming up at the top of the hour, we have got tom coburn coming up. >> that's actually for that story about the