we'll get jon meacham to weigh in. not on carly. that would be a little creepy. bolize actually heroism and bravery not only for american troops but also our allies in britain and across the world and what a reminder this morning as we remember the brave troops that rushed ashore, what a reminder this morning of our allies and the key role that our allies played. >> oh, you know, it was the hinge of the 20th century what happened today in 1944. it was what winston churchill called the greatest and most complicated operation ever. as the allies went across the channel. you know, the -- the story of world war ii, in many ways, is the story of the forces of freedom finally doing what was right in the american sense. as churchill said, you can always trust the americans to do the right thing as we've exhausted every other possibility. because of isolationism sentiment, because of americas first, the united states stayed out of the war largely from september 1, 1939, until not only we were attacked on december 7th of '41, but it took us another five days to declare war

charlie: jon meacham wrote about it, the friendship during the war.s story about churchill being caught naked walking in the hall and he turned to franken was about and said, -- franken roosevelt, the prime and disturbingly has nothing to hide minister-- the prime of thing has nothing to hide from the president of the united states. whose idea was this? because we have had so many. and yet, there is always something to learn, either from what an actor brings to it, what a script brings or a focus on a particular -- -- an: it focuses on the 199 before d-day. and it focuses on the fact that it was silent pictures. these two independent producers -- carter -- and they were very, they just had this idea they wanted to do this thing.there had been this rumor . it is in the eisenhower diaries muring about's de the d-day landings. that became the sort of point. what really was fascinating about it was towards the end of our shoot when we have come to the end of the shoot, the military advisor who had been our military pfizer subtly spoke up and said oh, yeah

bush white house and state department, solis jordan, jon meacham, and capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt. and joe will be back tomorrow. we're going to get to the fact check of the president's rally in a moment. there's a lot of work to do to get all of those facts checked, willie. >> yes. >> there were quite a few doozies in there. it's kind of uncomfortable. >> well -- >> it's so uncomfortable to see a president -- i mean, can you remember having to go through lies after lies after lies from the president of the united states? >> well, i know we're going to talk about this in a second, but the one interesting thing is the one piece of legislation he can tout, which is the health care bill that passed through the house and he held the rose garden ceremony for he's now turned on. he says it's too mean and he doesn't like it. >> all of those people clapping in the rose garden, what are they doing now? >> they're panicking, because they have no idea what this president will actually put his force behind. he has no idea, i think, what he wants and expects from a health care bill himsel

walter isaacson and jon meacham remain with us. i keep thinking of presidents who have exhorted presidents for whom that has been their fallback. that's all they know how to do, cheered us on, urged us to accomplish great things, and never had a dark view of america. >> henry adams said the president has a course to steer and a port to seek, and you want a president thinks big and thinks brightly. jefferson was a master of talking about how the son of progress was going to go over the continent, and no one would know when it set. president reagan improved on jesus when he talked about a shining hill on a hill, but reagan's visual imagination made that even more vivid. so walter used a good phrase a moment ago. it's unchartered waters. it's odd and disconcerting moment to say the least. my own hope is when we look back on this it will simply have been a waste of americans' time and not the beginning of a serious cataclysm. >> put it that way, sounds a little dark. walter you're at the aspen institute at this annual gathering of the

jon meacham who is his biographer had real access to the letters said what he had was empathy and he could understand, he understood that when the united states with russia and the soviet union was collapsing and the berlin wall was coming down, he could have gone down and gloated about it. he could have beat his chest and say we won but he didn't. he knew, he didn't want to make it difficult for gorbachev. >> i think that's true with negotiation. if you win a negotiation, if you really win it at the other person's expense, it doesn't go well. what happens next time you want to work something out. they want to get even. >> rose: exactly. >> whereas if everybody's looking at the other person's point of view. which is really empathy but as you may remember in the book, i make a big point of the idea that i think there's something called dark empathy where you know what's going on in the other person's head, what feelings they're going through but youe want to communicate to people. if you want to arrive somewhere together and just understand what your point of view is, if you don't kno

kristol, founder and editor of "the weekly starred" susan page, presidential historian for gravitas jon meachamm here for the gravitas. >> suffolk university polling grim prognosis for the republican health care bill. >> 12% of americans support the senate bill. 26% of republicans say they support it. they're really paying a price for the process they've done doing it in secret, not holding public hearings. majority of republicans told us they didn't know enough about this bill to have an opinion and apparently they don't have enough trust in the gop brand to say i'll support if it's got a republican label. >> what do you do if you're the gop? brandon if you're the gop leader, do you start reaching across the aisle or do you say let's try to own it and ific fi? >> paul ryan was committed to do this on reconciliation because he thought no democrats would support repeal, replace or reform of obamacare. they jammed the bill through the house in a way that required mcconnell to only get 51, 50 votes in the senate. if they didn't get on board go to the senate, save the democrats from filibuster and

. >> it's too bad jon meacham is not around, i'll make a reference to the teacup and the saucer fromay back in the founding times. that's exactly what's going on here. the reality is we knew this was never going to pass the senate the way it came out of the house. they had to push it so far to the right to make the freedom caucus members happy. if they are able to get a version through the senate, it's unclear how they then turn around and get that version passed through the house again without any democratic support. i think these senators are rightly concerned about their own potential problems at home if they vote in favor of this bill. the reality is mitch mcconnell in the senate is never going to do anything that will hurt the electoral prospects of his senators. if he has any number priority, it's rin taning control for republicans, adding seats if he can. he knows putting the house bill on the floor of the senate is something that would ultimately be bad in republicans that are in places where, say, they expanded medicaid or something along those lines. it's just not a tenable