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jon meacham, thank you very much. s latest book is entitled "and there was light: abraham lincoln and the american struggle." nbc's keir simmons, thank you as well for your reporting. of course, full coverage of all that transpires today, tomorrow on "morning joe" with ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy, and coming up, we'll be joined by pulitzer prize-winning investigative reporter who discovered is supply chain with u.s. tech products flowing into russia, despite war-related trade restrictions. >>> plus, elon musk says he's looking for a new ceo for twitter. but will that person have any actual power? we'll dig into that. next hour joined by both democratic senators from new hampshire who are ready to fight the white house's efforts to change the primary election calendar. all that straight ahead on "morning joe." ♪ my name is austin james. as a musician living with diabetes, fingersticks can be a real challenge. that's why i use the freestyle libre 2 system. with a painless, one-second scan, i know my glucose n

jon meacham, thank you so much for coming on this morning.the way, this book, it just may be his best. >> it's a good christmas present. >> it's an incredible christmas present. >> "and there was light abraham lincoln and the american struggle." >> that is what you want for christmas. >> i can count on 12 of meacham's books, and paul mccartney books. >> i know what i'm going to get you. >> and mccartney has a new book coming out too. >> i'm going to get you "laminated charts" by steve rattner. >> i'm like a dork fruitcake, i can just be there in the house and anybody who comes by, you can hand them one, so we're in good shape. >> i can pass them to everybody. >> "whiff of a loser" "dork fruitcake" "laminated charts." >> we're going to get rattner's charts. i don't want them laminated. i want to send them off and wall paper the entire house. >> let's start with the bathroom. >> well, what did you think i was talking about? i was trying to be polite. >>> steve rattner, two straight days of charts is going to cover half the wall. >> that's what

joining us now, presidential historian jon meacham and retired four-star general james stavridis. of your book "franklin and winston" winston churchill spent years writing love letters trying to get the united states to enter world war ii. please, please. and then as far as fdr was willing to go, but on this day december 7th, everything changed. >> uh-huh. >> it did. you know, that night, churchill heard the news on the bbc on a birthday dinner at checkers and immediately wanted to declare war on japan. the american envoy that said you can't declare war on a radio broadcast but there was phone call that night between roosevelt and churchill and churchill said, is it true, mr. president? and roosevelt said, it's true, we're all in the same boat now. and you could argue we, in fact had been in the same boat since december 1939 when hitler invaded poland, but isolationism in america was so strong, so ambient, you could feel it, that even after that great secret conference in august of 1941, fdr meets churchill. they issue the atlantic charter, democratic, lower case, principles, and

eastern on the presidency, in his latest book and there was light presidential historian jon meacham examines abraham lincoln's life and the influence that shaped how he governed a divided country. exploring the american story, watch american history tv saturday on cspan2 and find a full schedule on your program guide or watch online anytime at c-span.org/history. ♪ c-span is your unfiltered view of government. funded by these television companies and more including buckeye broadband. ♪ buckeye broadba support c-span is a public service along with these other television providers. giving you a front row seat to democracy. next, republican senator roy blunt on efforts to reform the certification of electoral votes by congress. of election integrity in states where the conversation was hosted by punch bowl news. >> good morning. ceo and one of the founders of punch bowl news. thank you so much for having a pop up conversation with senator roy blunt. republican from missouri after serving in the senate since 2011 we are going to talk about news of the day the future of democracy voting

let's start off with jon meacham, the short version of his biography. he is a chair, american presidency at vanderbilt university, historian of the washington national cathedral. and, you mostly know him as a commentator on politics and religious faith in america. and one of our wonderful talking had historians in broadcast studios. i think, john, the new studio has become the new school room. and there are so many historians on there. we are happy that you and many others are on the news shows. so, the author of truth is marching on, the power of hope, destiny, and power. the american odyssey of george herbert walter bush, thomas jefferson they are to power. american lyon, andrew jackson in the white house which won a pulitzer prize. american gospel and franklin, winston, and others. this latest book and there was light. abraham lincoln and the american, it is a random house book. 676 pages and highly illustrated. and, if you purchase this book while you are watching the show or afterwards you might be on either c-span or a youtube channel. you will ge

jon meacham, i'm curious. i talked before about what i thought history's read on this remarkable committee would be. i probably should let the pulitzer prize winning historian give his take so people will have a better understanding, actually, of how this -- how this will play out over time, and the impact they had on the 2022 election. >> well, people voted for democracy, i think, plus something else. so perhaps it was dobbs, perhaps it was some other form of republican extremism. and what these hearings did, seems to me, is in a very, to date myself, a very joe friday way, very factual, john adams said facts are stubborn things, laid out what they knew, and what -- as ed says, did so with republican voices. it's interesting, there was no sort of great john dean witness when you think about it. instead, it was this accretion of detail. it was one person after another. i think cassidy hutchinson probably rises to the one person who was surprising and that had a lot to do with the ketchup on the wall. it was ju

was not normal, that it was dangerous, and now i was at an event at asheville back the summer and jon meacham was there and and he's talking about his worry over democracy and and so i think in a scholarly community, whether it's journalism, history, political science or just the humanities as a whole, this sense of concern is spreading and that's a good thing. that's a good. yes. and we have to talk about that and cynthia mentioned the issue of, you know, local people on campuses, things of that nature. what we do know is that those local have a greater. on one another than the national people do. and so it's incumbent upon of us to, one, dignify and treat everybody with dignity and respect as human beings deserve it. and then to engage one another and keep engaging one another as, we go forward. so with that, you so much for being here. please continue to support the southern festival books and please have a wonderful rest of the day and we'll we'll be signing. oh, yes, we will be a book signing over in the colony on war memorial

eastern on the presidency, in his latest book and there was light presidential historian jon meachams abraham lincoln's life and the influence that shaped how he governed a divided country. exploring the american story, watch american history tv saturday on cspan2 and find a full schedule on your program guide or watch online anytime at c-span.org/history. ♪ c-span is your unfiltered view of government. funded by these television companies and more including buckeye broadband. ♪ buckeye broadba support c-span is a public service along with these other televisio

mine would be the brand-new jon meacham.ut how lincoln took over the country so deeply divided and the lessons that exist today for that. and how lincoln evolved his position on slavery, that where he wound up he could never have been elected with that position. but we don't allow our politicians now to evolve in their -- you know, we call them flip-floppers but lincoln evolved and brought the country along with him or at least a major part of it and it's a very, very readable 420-page lovely written. >> mine is called "secret city" and it shows the story of untold number of heroes serving their country even when the country didn't want them to be serving and also shows how the fight against communism was parallel with the fight to keep gays down in the closet over 50 years and how those two things work together. brilliant, brilliant book. >> have you optioned that? >> i have actually, yeah. >> seriously? [ laughter ] >> george is -- george is a conglomerate. >> we'll see what happens. but it's a brilliant book and i recomme

joining us also here, historia jon meacham, occasionall advises president biden.ently, and the there was light: abraham lincoln and the american struggle both are out now gentlemen, merry christmas happy new year i'm grateful for all that yo do for us. i'm grateful for you friendship when i talk about this week, and this year. jon, think about our democracy and the hurdles we crossed thi year what's your take away? >> well, you think about thi administration, it began in an era of disease, distrust, an insurrection, in january 2021. and besides that, this i lincoln's house -- right and here we are, 23 months later, and just enough of us and remember, that's wha democracy is, this is not a 90 ten proposition. it's barely a 60 4 proposition. it's really 51 49. we'll just enough of us decide that for all its imperfections the constitutional order i worth preserving because it ha in fact produced, a more perfect union. and we want to preserve thos possibilities. what you saw in the midter elections with the defeat of the clearly wrong, cynical misled election deniers,

bookshop in chicago, we specialize in lincoln for four years and the civil war and we're so happy have jon meacham here once again with us maybe next year. jon here in jerusalem, they'll be here in the bookshop itself. we will have the book today. i'll be showing you and we'll have signed book plates for you. let's start out with jon is the short version of biography. he's a rodgers chair in the american presidency and vanderbilt university. he serves as the canon historian of the washington national cathedral. and you mostly know as a commentator on politics, history and religious faith in america. and one of our wonderful talking historians in broadcast studios, news studios, because i think john, the new studio has become the new schoolroom. and we've had so many historic hands now on there since humanities isn't being taught we're happy that you and many others are on the news shows. so john has been the author of his truth is marching on john lewis and the power of hope, destiny and power the american odyssey of george herbert walker bush. thomas jefferson. the of power american andrew jackso

let's start out with jon meacham, the short version. he is the rogers chair in the american presidency at vanderbilt university. he serves at the -- historian of the washroom natural cathedral, and you mostly know him as commentator in politics, history, and religious faith in america in one of our talking heads historians in broadcasting's, new studios. i think john, the new studio has become the new school room. and we have had so many historians on their. the humanities is of being taught. we are happy that you and many others are on the new show. so, john has been the author of the truth is marching on. john lewis in the power of hope. the american odyssey of george herbert walker bush. thomas jefferson, the art of power. american line, andrew jackson in the white house which won a pulitzer prize by the way. american gospel, and franklin winston and. his latest book, and that was like abraham lincoln and the american struggle. so random house books, 676 pages. and highly illustrated. and it is $40. and if you purchase this book whil

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any and everything by doris kearns did win, michael best loss, jon meacham, doug brinkley, robert dowell, ronald white, david mccullough, david remnick, michael dobbs, robert massey, lynn nelson, rick atkinson and anne applebaum. i'm sure i'm forgetting some remarkable books. so as they say in congress, i reserve the right to advise and extend my remarks. susan glasser's response -- louisa mayt, little women. what is it about that book -- and it is women who really like that book? susan: i wasn't sure if you're asking about nonfiction or fiction. obviously peter has chosen to answer your question by not answering your question, listing every single author that he likes. [laughter] there's no question that for every bookish young woman for a century, they have delighted in this story of joe marge and her sisters. i love that book so much that i would read it again and again as a child. in fact, in the book, they talk about reading again and again a book. that's what i was doing with little women. i would finish it and start all over again. host: other books susan glasser gave us -- zora n

any and everything by doris kearns did win, michael best loss, jon meacham, doug brinkley, robert dowell, ronald white, david mccullough, david remnick, michael dobbs, robert massey, lynn nelson, rick atkinson and anne applebaum. i'm sure i'm forgetting some remarkable books. so as they say in congress, i reserve the right to advise and extend my remarks. susan glasser's response -- louisa may alcittlwomen. what is it about that book -- and it is women who really like that book? susan: i wasn't sure if you're asking about nonfiction or fiction. obviously peter has chosen to answer your question by not answering your question, listing every single author that he likes. [laughter] there's no question that for every bookish young woman for a century, they have delighted in this story of joe marge and her sisters. i love that book so much that i would read it again and again as a child. in fact, in the book, they talk about reading again and again a book. that's what i was doing with little women. i would finish it and start all over again. host: other books susan glasser gave us -- zora nea