look what jon meacham has done to our show. a little bit like, you know, meacham really doesn't usually do revivals for any place past 1964. i don't know about "phantom of the opera." welcome back to "morning joe." jon meacham. >> yes, sir? >> we look forward to your future performances in "brigadoon," "carousel." any others? >> i do a lot of karaoke in assisted living facilities when i'm out talking about lincoln. yeah, get ready. >> okay. >> all of those. fantastic. we look forward to that. >> any time. >> may we move on, thank you. >> we may. >> i'm going to reset everything. >>> welcome back to "morning joe." it is a few minutes before the top of the hour. reverend al sharpton was in tallahassee yesterday where he was joined by black leaders and activists to protest governor ron desantis' opposition to a college board advanced placement course in african-american studies. >> after 57 years of jim crow, it was education, brown versus the board of education, that kicked off in 1954, that inspired rosa parks to sit down a year

jon meacham in the flesh. thanks for staying up late for me.you're worried about this, how worried are you? >> the issue is going to be, does an attempted coup against the constitution become just another talking point? just another thing, well, fake news. they're trying to tell you this is important. it's not. they were martyrs, they're just really angry people. i think one of the things we have to watch, as trump continues to run again, you have nbc polling i think nbc's reporting polling, stronger than the chattering classes wanted him to be. we have to be incredibly vigilant to understand, that mike pence stood between us and the abyss. and if you do it i do it for a living, you always want people to think about the past. this isn't all that far back. i just hope that we don't turn the page so quickly. we don't click on the next screen so quickly. we forget having an appetite for power of a single person, a single party, really did almost end a democratic lower case d conversation. >> the question i always circle back to, won't it take repu

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. >> tucker: i have to say that michael and jon meacham are no quick talents bid they've been mediocre but they've been at th top of american journalism history and now they are just kind of hate spewing partisan figures. i wonder what does that say. i'm shocked by ed if i'm being honest. >> i think they are metaphors for the client of the american electoral. there kind of critical popular historians and they were very careful to seem like they were going to be on npr and pbs and disinterested. i don't know what donald trump did to them but they lost all bearings, all sense of moderation, perspective. now they spew hate the with the architects of the phantom of th opera ultra mega semi pasha's speech be at its tragic. that has to a lot of people tha couldn't handle this populous calibration of the republican party paid. >> it brings question as to why what they doing that they were doing. a minor question with a quick. you been around a while. three of the presidents -- no one you know smokes cigarettes. working-class people and even most of them smoke cigarettes. tiny percentage of pe

. >> i'll leave the importance of -- to jon meacham, governor santos's office yesterday in the wake of concerned are you of other states following his lead? >> there was no engagement, and there is a couple thousand people there. every elected official just about in the lac caucus and latinos in the state legislation there. in every major pastor from all over. no engagement. he wasn't looking for it. because i think he's playing petty politics as the social philosopher joe scarborough says, he's a day trader. he's not looking at now, he's looking at history. he wants to be baby trump. he's gonna use race like trump did. don't forget, the entry of donald trump was birtherism. he's baby trump. i'm gonna use this against blacks. i'm going to use this against migrants. maybe trump fits him. he's a miniature trump trying to be like daddy, and daddy spanx him, they have a little inside fight, a little family fight, it's the same thing. i think the fear though that you raise, is that if he can get away with this, and cement this in florida, it will be used in other states. because he's basica

jon meacham, jeffrey engel writes that book. that's what they're in there for. they do a good job, but we need to hire more of them. and we need more money, because you've got to pay them or they won't do the work. >> thank you. >> dr. surrey? >> i've appreciated this panel quite a, bit i'm appreciating my own ignorance as a user of the archives. an ignorance about what's actually going on. i would ask you east each to just explain a little further from your point of view, what are the internal issues? and don't just say funding. obviously, funding is an issue. but beyond, that what i'm hearing is that they're paired a magic and organizational issues. before we can solve a problem, we have to identify it. i'd ask you to reflect on that. >> if i could just jump on sunday tim said about the presidential records act, i got into a debate with david variant when i published an op-ed about what was going on with, for example, records from i.c.e.. which were scheduled for disruption and human rights abuses. they subsequently were destroyed, contributing in order from a

acknowledgments, her name is there an archivist, three or four of the bush library that helped that jon meacham, jeffrey engel, write that book. that's what they're into it for and they do a great job but we need to hire more of them. got to get we need more money because you got to pay them or they won't do the work. >> thank you. >> i have appreciated this panel quite a bit and i am realizing my own ignorance as a use of the archives, as a continue user about what's going on. i would ask you each to explain this further from your point of view, what are the internal issues? don't you say funding. obvious he funding is an issue but beyond that what inherent as paradigmatic organizational issues before we can solve a problem grant identified it. so it ask you to reflect on tha that. >> if i could just jump on something ten said about presidential records act. i get into a debate with david ferriero when i published an op-ed about what was going on with, for example, records from ice, which were scheduled for destruction, human rights abuses. they subsequently were destroyed, contravening an ord

bookshop in chicago, we specialize in lincoln for four years and the civil war and we're so happy have jon meacham here once again with us maybe next year. jon here in jerusalem, they'll be here in the bookshop itself. we will have the book today. i'll be showing you and we'll have signed book plates for you. let's start out with jon is the short version of biography. he's a rodgers chair in the american presidency and vanderbilt university. he serves as the canon historian of the washington national cathedral. and you mostly know as a commentator on politics, history and religious faith in america. and one of our wonderful talking historians in broadcast studios, news studios, because i think john, the new studio has become the new schoolroom. and we've had so many historic hands now on there since humanities isn't being taught we're happy that you and many others are on the news shows. so john has been the author of his truth is marching on john lewis and the power of hope, destiny and power the american odyssey of george herbert walker bush. thomas jefferson. the of power american andrew jackso