i do want to go to jon meacham. jon, you never know how things are going to break.d about john anderson in 1980, a republican, fellow republican, who believed he was going to draw from ronald reagan. he ended up getting a lot of liberals and getting a lot of college students voting for him. he got his 5%, but that came from jimmy carter, most of it. of course, speaking of rfk, we go back to 1968, something you and i have talked about a good bit. the kennedy family still trying to figure out how after bobby's tragic assassination, his votes, many of his votes went to george wallace. still can't sort it through. you never know how this is going to break. at least in this nbc news poll, it certainly looks like one anti-vaxer is going to be, you know -- a conspiracy theorist, i guess i should say, is going to be taking votes from another conspiracy theorist. >> that's certainly where sort of common sense, barstool analysis would lead you, right? if you're thinking about voting for an anti-vax person, i don't think your second choice is going to be the democratic incumbe

. >> former congresswoman liz cheney and historian and pulitzer prize-winning biographer jon meacham held a conversation on democracy and how leaders should put principles ahead of politics as part of the washington national cathedral better way speakers series. it's about an hour.

just to put a pin on it, i want to go to jon meacham. on right now with major developments, dramatic developments over the weekend. both of them fending off aggression, fending off aggression that could impact the safety of the world. doesn't the u.s. usually lead in moments like this and not a republican candidate for president? >> absolutely. the lesson of certainly the 20th century is that aggression unconfronted metastasizes. we have to stand with allies and friends in a reasonable but a convincing way. the world -- this is what history is, right? we've been dealing with chaos and war and turmoil since the third chapter of genesis. that's when all of this started. it requires responsible, grown-up people to do it. not that they're perfect. but the central lesson of american history, and i would argue the central lesson of everybody's lives, if you sit and think for a second, who are the people who have meant the most to you? they're people who have helped bring order to chaos. they are people who have not simply put their own interes

jon meacham, always great to have you on, my friend. see you soon.egal correspondent, lisa ruben, former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade, thank you, as well. >>> ahead on "morning joe," there is pressure on hamas to free the hostages the group has held for over seven months now. we'll take a look at the statement from the leaders of over a dozen countries. >>> plus, a live look at secretary of state blinken speaking in beijing on the heels of his meeting with president xi. we'll talk to richard haass about the state of relations between the u.s. and china. "morning joe" is coming right back. ♪ i'll be there... ♪ ♪ you don't... ♪ ♪ you don't have to worry... ♪ nexium 24hr prevents heartburn acid before it begins. get all-day and all-night heartburn acid prevention with just one pill a day. choose acid prevention. choose nexium. nice to meet ya. my name is david. i've been a pharmacist for 44 years. when i have customers come in and ask for something for memory, i recommend prevagen. number one, because it's effective. does not require a prescription. an

cochair liz cheney was a guest speaker where she was in a conversation with author and historian jon meachamshe talked about david mccormick , at the pennsylvania republican who this week one party's primary against the democratic incumbent bob casey. >> the republican candidate for senate in pennsylvania is a man named dave mccormick who served honorably, served in the military, served the nation honorably. she served in both the bush administration -- he served in both the bush administration and the trump administration. she knows better. he knows trump is not fit for office, and in the last 24 hours he has been circulating an endorsement donald trump made of him. donald trump was standing in the hallway outside the courtroom in new york and endorsed mccormick, and mccormick is now circulating that endorsement, which that sort of behavior from somebody who absolutely knows better creates a permission structure for people to support the former president, and i think that everyone who has taken an oath to the constitution, everyone who wants to serve in public office has to be willing to sa

on wednesday --,, a conversation beten former congresswoman liz cheney and jon meacham on how america's leaders can put principles first. and americans can improve on relationships. on thursday the supreme court will hear oral arguments to decide if former president donald trump is immune from criminal prosecution for his alleged role in trying to overturn the 2020 election results. and, former members of the house and senate meet at the pen the-by an center for a conference to discuss the current state of congress and potential changes it could implement to operate more smoothly. on saturday, the whi house correspondents dinner, washington's premier black-tie event. this year's headliner is saturday night live's collin joe stan president biden is expected to speak. watch next week live on the c-sp networks or on-span now, our free mobile video app, also, head over to c-span.org for scheduling information or on-demandny time c-span, your unfiltered view of government. click c-span is your unfiltered view of government, funded by these television companies and more, including cox. >> thi

. >> former congresswoman liz cheney and historian and pulitzer prize-winning biographer jon meacham held a conversation on democracy and how leaders should put principles ahead of politics as part of the washington national cathedral better way speakers series. it's about an hour. rep. cheney: thank you. john: this is the only case in which liz cheney is to my left. you've got to take them. at low hanging fruit, but it tastes good. the dean told us this was an easter crowd. we're pleased we did not have to go to good thank you all for being here. thank you, congresswoman janie. as the dean so eloquently said, y and you have embodied it in a way that is an inspiration, so thank you. representative cheney: thank you. john: let's start on january 6, 2021. you get up, you think it will be just another day, how does that work? rep. cheney: it is a wonderful privilege to be here with the dean and the bishop and john who is not only canon historian, but is the voice of our age as an american historian. and so we're very grateful for all that you've done. . john: that is why we are in the t

wednesday, from the washington natnal cathedral, a conversation between liz cheney and historian jon meacham on how america's leaders can put principals first and americans can improve on relationships. on thursday, the supreme court will hear oral agreement to decide if former president donald trump is immune from criminal prosecution for his alleged role in trying to overturn the 2020 election results. and former members of the house and senate meet to discuss the current state of congress and potential changes they could implement to operate more smoothly. on saturday, the white house correspondents dinner, washington's premier black tie event. this year's headliner is "saturday night live's": joseph -- "saturday night live's" co lin jost, and president obama will also speak. watch live or on-demand any time c-span, your unfiltered view of government. c-span is your unfiltered view of government. we are funded by these television companies and more, including cox. >> the syndrome is extremely rare, but friends don' have to be. connected. reporter: cox supports c-span as a public service a

on cnn there they are here as opposed to rise winning historian or author of and there was light jon meachamhere she's an award-winning journalist and author of no ordinary assignment. >> jane ferguson everybody has a book and now i have a book and i already plugged it is available for free order now this gradient said. jack, you're and john. thank you. gave me a blurb for this and i appreciate it very much more. >> you'll day it's not going to be the same because of the sale okay. >> shall we start with the trump trial? i was thinking today its years now since we started to say, boy, if we could only stop talking about donald trump that day, just never comes. so let me start with you as a historic because it is unprecedented. his roc criminal trial of a former president and i definitely think he should be tried for the one in georgia and the one for trying to overthrow the government. and that is state. >> tell me as a historian haven't president's not been put on trial in the past for doing worse things than this one no, i don't think know offhand know. >> nothing was worse than paying hus

there's a wonderful book by jon meacham, the soul of america. and if haven't read this book, this is a good book to give you hope. it talks about, you know, some of the times in our nation's when we have been in some dire. right. the civil war. my gosh think about that you know we were over. what did nikki haley say? states rights. a civil war over slavery that you know those some dire times and we came through it we were to come through it two world wars the great depression, you know, jim crow eras, all kinds of things. and so i you know, i say that not think like so it will automatically take of itself. there, see it it happens. it happened because people worked to make it happen. and so, you know, we fought fascism in europe through in world war two and soldiers died that at normandy. you know service members i had a chance visit normandy a saw that unbeliever some american is anybody been there and seen that oh my gosh isn't that the most powerful thing you've ever seen? 9000 americans are buried there who died on d-day to defend democracy.

also this evening, a discussion with former congresswoman liz cheney and historian jon meacham on principles politics, broadcast live from the national cathedral at 7:00 p.m. eastern. ♪ protesters also, we will take you to a different shot here as some of the people are taking to the odium. -- podium. >> abortion is health care. >> and there are people who are arguing about passing laws to let us died. we wish we were being hyperbolic. i wish i could say that we should be surprised, but right now, the state of idaho is in the courtroom arguing for the right to deny is health care. this is the moment that we are in. florida and arizona, banning nearly all access to abortion, access to contraception and ivf. now, you have anti--- >> up-to-date on the latest in publishing with book tv's podcast "about books"

those two speeches together, jon meacham and other historians consider to be two of the greatest speecheshistory of american oratory. that was a speech bobby kennedy gave in the inner city of indianapolis after police officers had warned him not to go there because other cities were already in flames, and kennedy said i'm going down, and i'm going to deliver the news myself, and the police said, well, we'll escort you to the edge of the neighborhoods, but you're going to have to go on without. so they drove him, stopped, he continued going in, and he delivered that speech delivering the terrible news that martin luther king had died. talked about escalis and the awful grace of god, a man who understood the absolute pain and horror that assassination inflicts on loved ones, on family members. but it was -- it was an extraordinary, extraordinary moment, and that night, you know, a hundred cities across america burned. that night indianapolis went to sleep in peace, and it just shows you what leaders with courage can do and the inspiration of that was that man, martin luther king jr. and the

. >> well, and it is something that jon meacham regularly says is one of the great challenges, on whether we survive as roadway public after this election, if donald trump wins. you've had all these people say, again, this is russian roulette if donald trump gets in there again. now, he's endorsing him just out of blind partisanship. you can go down the list, though, of people who -- >> it's heartbreaking. >> -- served, who are conservative, who have been conservative their entire life. starting with me, charlie sykes. let's talk about the people who served with donald trump. the vice president of the united states who served with donald trump said he won't be endorsing him, and for good reason. said he deserved hanging, basically. you have the chief of staff of donald trump, general kelly, who served, who talked about how it's sickening, what he says about young men and women who gave their lives to america in service of this country. that donald trump believes they're suckers. general kelly, obviously, lost a son serving america in war, will not be supporting donald trump. you have his