. >> jon meachum?two protagonists because obama is a pretty good politician. >> he is a very good politician. but the paradox is barack obama, this liberal chicago former constitutional law professor, is not that interested in legal change. he is someone who believes that change comes from the ballot box, not the court house. and even though he is respectful of the civil rights pioneers bike thurgood marshall this is not someone who put a lot of emphasis on the courts starting with a very underrated figure in recent american history, i think, edwin meese. he came to washington and said we are going to change the courts. republicans cared about the courts. obama hasn't even bothered to submit nominees for a lot of the vacancies on the federal bench. >> unbelievable. >> just not something he has put a lot of emphasis on. fairness, a very busy four years, a lot of other things going on but indicative of the way democrats and republicans approach these issues now. >> at the time went affordable care act, d