and here i do to an extent support, jon sopel error of judgement . in jon sopel error of judgement.case, we need to we need to clarify that alex williams, who was the man who's now been convicted as a paedophile and suppued convicted as a paedophile and supplied huw edwards with these horrific images, is a separate case and there is no connection. i believe , between the sun i believe, between the sun coming out and talking about these sordid pictures he received from some young person and the parents. >> yes, but the sun reveals that there's something very wrong. yes. and that's where these privacy laws are. so dangerous. because you get look at jimmy savile, you get these powerful people who every allegation that is dismissed, nobody dares report them because they're worried about the libel laws and now privacy laws. and then the police aren't looking out for it. and huw edwards is not a particularly uncommon name in wales. but the truth is that the police , using alex william's police, using alex william's telephone, discovered who he had sent these horrific images to. >> and one

emily maitlis, jon sopel , lewis maitlis, jon sopel, lewis goodall and the rest are afraid. >> alan rusbridgerere friends of huw edwards or were friends of huw edwards or were friends of huw edwards and therefore, i guess until until about 24 hours ago, until about 24 hours ago. >> so i guess there's a natural instinct to, as you say, circle the wagons . instinct to, as you say, circle the wagons. but i'd say two things about it. first, without condemning somebody on suspicion or rumour when the first story broke, i think you probably got to ask yourself internally, is there likely to be more there than just this, or is this a complete one off incident that didn't seem to cross their minds? and as you say, i've been looking throughout the day not over the last couple of hours. mark, have they said anything since, no they haven't. >> well, the ones who are the ones who are employed by the bbc. n0, ones who are employed by the bbc. no, no, no the news would not be allowed. yeah. i'm not i didn't say she was i said the ones who are the most high profile critics are the sun's approach to this stor

and, you know, jon sopel did something similar where he said he was talking to someone who was very highow is she doing these days? and he said, well, she's a bit better. he said, but that doesn't mean anything. >> i mean, look, i think hunter biden or i think i think i think the real conversation we're having, which democratic candidate is going to lose to donald trump? because i don't think this changes the outcome of the american election. donald trump is still a dead cert to win in miami, i think. >> i mean, they were if you look at the republican conventions that republican politicians, they weren't saying they wanted biden to step down because they knew they had a better chance against him. so i think they'll be pretty annoyed that this has happened. and you talk about her race and her gender, her sex. look, those are two things that the coalition of democratic voters rely on. and turnout is going to be much better from having her so that improves the chances. i'd also point out that the us presidential candidate that's won with the biggest shortfall of votes in the popular vote wa

. >> former bbc journalist turned podcasting leftie jon sopel said i don't want to do the whole prophetic to downing street, the sun comes out. what a contrast to may 22nd, when sunak launched his campaign . sunak launched his campaign. carol, do you trust the our establishment media are going to hold starmer's feet to the fire, well, no , because people like well, no, because people like rigby and marr and sopel, they've never been any different. >> they've always been like that. i mean, the bloke that asked the question in the beginning who said, you know, you know , what's your face? you know, what's your face? that's that's a perfectly legitimate question. but the other ones, you know, rigby, marr and sopel, they've been they're leftie fanatics, always have been. so what they say is kind of normal. >> benjamin look , you know what? >> benjamin look, you know what? this just shows why right wingers are losing so badly. because you are obsessed with blaming the media, blaming the courts, blaming the public, blaming the wokeist, blaming the transgenders. you'll blame anyone, but take acc

>> jon sopel, another former bbc, all former bbc. >> i mean labour activists.et's be frank, and she's saying i just don't understand. it's all cult like behaviour. these people i mean, x celebrities who are trying to revive their careers like russell brand. so sorry, russell brand's got 8 or 9 million subscribers on rumble or youtube or wherever he hosted his show. he's probably earning more money now than he ever has before. >> it just showed for me the way that i say the political left broadcast left are sneering at that event is the distinction between those people who are out of touch with the people that jd vance appeals to. the real people, the working people, the rust belt, as he calls it. in america. we might call it the red wall, the working people. i don't like those terms. i think they're a little bit reductive, but just i do know what it is. it's just not the little westminster elite. no, it's not emily maitlis little dinner party set who like to walk around you know, art gallery openings on a wednesday night in westminster. it'sjust openings on a w