guys, back to you. >> josh, it's jon steinberg.ow from when in 1999 microsoft, i remember, launched a retail store in san francisco, is that they have hardware now? has the world changed? there's more ecommerce now, so why would this work now? >> reporter: i think certainly you've seen new products, right? so satya nadella has put the strategy forward. microsoft saying they want to be a player in consumer devices, they want to take on apple and google. he has products to show, phones, tablets. talking to some of the kids on this line, they weren't just talking about macklemore. some were coming in to buy phones, buy tablets. there's products he wants to show. and you go that that store, jon, it's a very sleek, cool, minimal look. that's part of it, too. they want their customers to have that experience in these stores, guys. >> josh, we appreciate that. between what's going on there retail-wise, jon, and what angela is about to do at apple, that will get interesting from a retail stand of point. >> and at the end of the year, too,