this reporting allows— and jon venables. this reporting allows the — and jon venables.ublic— understanding and it allows the public to— understanding and it allows the public to have transparency in understanding the criminaljustice system _ understanding the criminal justice system in — understanding the criminaljustice system in the uk. it does restore faith— system in the uk. it does restore faith and — system in the uk. it does restore faith and actually it probably encourages some real debate about actually— encourages some real debate about actually social issues that are in existence — actually social issues that are in existence and hopefully how these kinds _ existence and hopefully how these kinds of _ existence and hopefully how these kinds of cases can be avoided. you seak of kinds of cases can be avoided. you speak of air _ kinds of cases can be avoided. warn. speak ofairabout kinds of cases can be avoided. warn. speak of air about these youngsters and of course they have been named and of course they have been named and you deal with a lot of families. hav

for example, we look back at other cases where jon venables example, we look back at other cases wherejonhey were convicted of abducting, torturing, murdering james belcher in merseyside. this will bring back thoughts of that case to many people here watching, listening, reading about this, but then they were given brand—new identities. could that happen for these two further down the line? it happen for these two further down the line? . , happen for these two further down the line? ., , ., happen for these two further down the line? , ., , ., , , the line? it may well do. obviously that then sparks _ the line? it may well do. obviously that then sparks another _ the line? it may well do. obviously that then sparks another public - that then sparks another public debate about the costs of all of those procedures having to be implemented. but we don't know what the future holds. it will be an incredibly long and difficult journey for all of the families that have been involved in this horrendous case. i have been involved in this horrendous case.- have been involved in this horrendous cas

jon venables does not exist asjon venables.ssumed identity. it is possible that if these two ever get released label famous mac face —— they will face similar problems, people will find out their identities. that is an extra stress that will be placed on them if they are ever released from prison. there is also the risk when they go to prison. they are under they go to prison. they are under the age of 18 but went the other 18 they will go to an adult prison. faces and names are well known and what potential ramifications could that have and any attempt at rehabilitating them? i that have and any attempt at rehabilitating them?- that have and any attempt at rehabilitating them? i have also been speaking _ rehabilitating them? i have also been speaking to _ rehabilitating them? i have also been speaking to a _ rehabilitating them? i have also been speaking to a number- rehabilitating them? i have also been speaking to a number of. been speaking to a number of different gas here on bbc news and some of them are already calling fo

become quite notorious after being named, let me refer you to one of the most famous examples, jon venablespson, they were both 11 when they were convicted of abducting, torturing and murdering james bolger. many people will remember this case back in 1993. how do you think this notoriety can affect the pair? it do you think this notoriety can affect the pair?— do you think this notoriety can affect the pair? it is the notoriety that they are _ affect the pair? it is the notoriety that they are part _ affect the pair? it is the notoriety that they are part of, _ affect the pair? it is the notoriety that they are part of, it _ affect the pair? it is the notoriety that they are part of, it is - affect the pair? it is the notoriety that they are part of, it is not - affect the pair? it is the notoriety that they are part of, it is not the j that they are part of, it is not the fact that they have been named that makes the case notorious. in that case it was the circumstances of the rather savage killing of the child, delivering the killing of the child. and just how shocking that was to people

jon venables, robert thomson, will cornick, how do you think that affects the youngsters as they aresystem, they are going to prison, they will spend much of their life there, but how do you think that will affect them, their mental health and their time behind bars? i health and theirtime behind bars? 1 think that is one of my concerns health and theirtime behind bars? i think that is one of my concerns and we have done a lot of cases and i don't know these particular children, but we as a society are much more conscious about children? mental health nowadays and what that means. we also have really strong child protection laws and we protect children up to the age of 18. we have a recognition of times of turbulence and all of these lead to, when we sentence children, that there is a potential life ahead of them that will be entirely different from who they are now. if we say that there are 15 when this happens, in 35 years' time, which is a lot of people's lifetimes, they will only be 50—year—old people and there is no chance of rehabilitation in any life at all. in general, if you

mary bell killed two toddlers, jon venables and robert thompson murdered james bulger.ad a smile on his face. you know, i was speaking to ann on the saturday morning. the next time i saw ann, i was standing over her body in a mortuary. with...with eight stab wounds. whenjames bulger�*s murderers were tried, the case against them was led by sir richard henriques. after being found guilty, they were also named. now he says it's right the public know who brianna's killers really are for the greater good of society. there is much, much good to follow if these cases are examined very fully and the public know what went wrong in that particular family. only then can we ask ourselves the question, could this happen in ourfamily? because at the moment we don't know what went wrong. not everyone's in favour of courts identifying young offenders. the naming of them and the shaming of them is a barrier to rehabilitation. we know that it creates troubles for their safety in prison, but then also upon release, because these are children at the end of the day. and they need to be abl

mary bell and 1968 killed two toddlers in newcastle upon tyne, robert thompson and jon venables in 1983, the law - james bulger. if children are guilty of serious violence, the law is - of serious violence, the law is clear. judges can name them because the community has a right to know the community has a right to know the full facts, who did it, why did they do it, what lessons can we learn? judges regularly named teenagers guilty of horrendous knife and gang killings like... teenagers guilty of horrendous knife and gang killings like. . .— and gang killings like... naming and shamina as and gang killings like... naming and shaming as a _ and gang killings like... naming and shaming as a barrier— and gang killings like... naming and shaming as a barrier to _ shaming as a barrier to rehabilitation because these are children at the end of the day and they need to be given the space to grow and move beyond the crime. throughout the trial brianna ghey's were anonymous, now they are named, if one day they are safe to leave jail, they might be given a secret new identities but for now every