sure i mean a lot of a lot of more republican the way that people was speak about the city early jonah goldberg from the national review was a libertarian just a way to look cool when you're in college. certainly you know republicans not the way who i think in any setting my own biases coming through but you know young people speech you libertarians are put forget that people under a certain age they just grew up under the internet which is basically one of the greatest libertarian experiments that what you hear you are day after day participating in this thing where ninety nine point nine something nine percent of the activity is untouched by government really it's just people communicating with one another and talking and buying stuff or not buying stuff or. rick rolling one another i mean you just place and active place where people exercise their freedom those demonstration projects the people the marinating their whole lives is an intuitive understanding that in that sense markets and freedom works and so even if you know young people voted for obama in huge numbers in the c. thousand data

jonah goldberg, at large editor of national review online. a.b.sociate editor of the hill. and syndicated columnist charles krauthammer. charles, start with the last statement. >> spoken bay man who never created or ran so much as a candy store. it's completely a straw man argument as if conservatives and the republicans are arguing to disbeen a the fire department and the police department to do it individually on our own. the idea that infrastructure is necessary and good, is as old as the republic. it's older than that. the romans, via opia. it wasn't exactly a new idea. the question is what do you do with the money once you build the infrastructure? you heard obama talk about the moon shot. this is not on that clip but in that speech. he went through a list of the great achievements that the government has done. moon shot. obama shut down the moon program, manned space program so today we have to outsource our access to space for any american astronaut that wants to go to the space station we have to pay russian dollars 15 million a shot. he s

i've published books by david brock, charles murray, jonah goldberg and i've been doing that for a verylong time. i started out doing it, no one else was doing it. >> i like to be contrarian. i like to be the only person doing something. but it turned into a successful business and now tears for him to and mainstream publishing to put up conservative books, including the one i went to harpercollins. >> what are some of the books he went to tell us coming out this fall you been working on? >> those coming out in the fall, the first one i would mention is about as charles kessler called i am the change, barack obama and the crisis of liberalism. as you can imagine it's a bit poetical year. every conservative intellectual who is capable of publishing a book has one in the works and my list is as much as possible a serious one. intellectually serious. although because of the fact the left in the right each have their own sphere of media discussion, it's difficult to get a real controversy going. it was easier in the old days when there was one media platform and everyone had to fight for it

megyn: jonah goldberg is editor at large of national review only a fox news contributor and the author of the taoerpb tphaoef cliches how liberals cheat in the war of ideas. jonah welcome back. >> it's great hob here. megyn: this is a very interesting shift in tone for the president. it's been gloves off, bare knuckles, chicago politics as they call it to now especially on the issue of bain, which they fought soreserve as an issue when all the top democrats came out and said don't go there, don't rip on enterprise and capitalism and so on, and now -- now what explains the shift away from that? >> i think you're right. i think in some ways -- i actually think this is a have ad, i think it's a reflection of a fundamental failure of the barack obam obama campaign that they are coming to this realization so late. if it's a referendum on his own job performance obama is in real trouble. instead they've turned him into this incredibly strident almost occupy wall street angry guy which turns off independents and the undecides that they need. they thought it was going to work in terms of demon

let's talk about it with jonah goldberg, editor at large and fox news contributor.very good reporting based on two sources of knowledge of the specific deliberations. that is their terminology, that roberts changed his vote only because of external pressure from the white house and from articles in the media. now, if that is true, that roberts based his decision not on the law, not on the constitution, but on political considerations, my goodness, is that a breach of his duty? >> it's a problem, and it's a mistake. we can be honest about this and sort of split it down the middle. courts have always paid attention to politics. the problem with this is that roberts did something that the other justices usually haven't done, which is he didn't hide it very well. it's very difficult to explain this decision in terms other than him chickening for political reasons. won my big problems with it is that people say he was trying to protect the integrity and reputation of the court. the majority of people who didn't like obamacare and had big problems witness they care about

. >> guest: fascism is, well, ancioinfis jonah goldberg has icidr authoritarianism is a cult of actionfll a hhi at whthonevno w the goals are,ut we're going to act, we're going to act now. teeramtall letlo pare d't f i ol er na. ie >> caller: hi. i've been reading a book by a william luten berg aut franklde revan cr: i cke the condsnd ro--dr a through 1935 where the supreme court was making 5-4decisions, and it included juic n rt ener. ueower y >>lees d e' pde ry eres 5-4 decisions were made at a time wh our nation s going through very similar paernstweno anistdef co mmon t yoow 'sg em t f,copag fight of, like, 1937 after roosevelt wins the big land an dedheot gg t aneysaheasnd yihae crt decisions follow the election returns. so that to, again,rote the grofth c s eieyoonou arpo teyl degrhi they had previously been knocking out like the nra, national recovery anenyo sirtson. roelesge p econt or inflation of numbers, but simply by making new appointments. >> host: david pietruszado you write fulle? ueye osnyeag? >>st, oret lthut ac. ieorill s to teach, and the guidance counselor kind of

. >> guest: fascism is, well, fascism -- jonah goldberg has some really interesting thoughts on what constitutes fascism. and fascism is, is something which aside from authoritarianism is a cult of action, of really -- so temperamentally it's almost like a youth thing. kind of like occupy wall street where they don't even know what the goals are, but we're going to act, we're going to act now. temperamentally, let alo ideologically, the republican party really doesn't fit into that mold. henderson, nevada. hi, ernie. >> caller: hi. i've been reading a book by a william luten berg about franklin delano roosevelt and the new deal? >> guest: yes, right. >> caller: and i'm struck by the parallels in particular around the second hyundais and up through -- hundred days and up through 1935 where the supreme court was making 5-4 decisions, and it included a justice named roberts. owen roberts. >> guest: owen roberts, yes. >> caller: yes. and how there's precedent really where these 5-4 decisions were made at a time when our nation was going through very similar patterns that we're now experi