jonah goldberg says my problem with that piece is no one on the hit list got hit, according to the articleso is it news that a politician staff is keeping track of who has been friendly or unfriendly or endorsing in 2008 or not endorsing? >> not whatsoever. i think it is -- and first of all, this is a woman who used to keep people in her ploy who were professional hit list keepers. the idea that hillary clinton keeps a hit list is as unshocking as partisan politics in new jersey. and i think male politicians, female politicians, they all keep lists of their friends and their enemies. >> but calling it a hit list suggests there's retaliation against those who cross them. everyone knows the clintons run a very aggressive political machine. but as the piece says, not keeping such lists would be political malpractice when you're trying to figure out who your supporters are. >> i think politico was probably trying to get some clicks. >> right lane? >> but i think they were, though. i guess it's interesting that she codified it into something more written or whatever. >> right. all politicians -

joining us now, lauren ashburn, jonah goldberg, and john aravocis, the founder and editor of american blog.com. lauren ashburn, what's your take on christie's office calling msnbc an openly partisan network? >> surprise, surprise. there's no news there. but we have to take seriously what zimmer says because she took an oath of office. she wrote a journal about this and there are other allegations of retribution. >> the mayor of hoboken is on record. she's getting pressure over this real estate deal. but she's going to msnbc now after previously praising christie publicly and in various tweet messages. >> yeah. i'm not sure of the simple fact that she took an oath of office means we have to take her seriously. a lot of people take oath an office but we don't have to take them seriously. >> but she's not just some -- >> in physics, you have this thing called the had he isenberg uncertainty. by observing somebody something one change it. you asked if this was overkill. we passed overkill. it's hard to find organic matter left in this thing. the overkill over this story has been to such a

applause] [applause] [inaudible conversations] up next on booktv, "after words" with guest host jonah goldbergof the national review. this week yuval levin and his look "the great debate" edmund burke, thomas paine and the birth of right and left. and if the founder and editor of national affairs discusses the origin of the political left right divide arguing that today's partisanship began with the debates over the french revolution. this program is about an hour. >> host: hi yuval. thanks for doing this. welcome to c-span. i'm going to be grilling you on your new book, "the great debate" and i will try to do my best for brian lamb and we will see where it goes. let's just start right off the bat. who was edmund burke? >> guest: edmund burke was a statesman, a political thinker and writer of the late 18th century. he was born in 1729 and lived until 1797. his political career is really from the late 1760s until his

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lynn sweet, jonah goldberg, thank you. >> thank you. jenna: this just n a banker is accused bilking investors out of $21 million, faking his death to escape the law made his first appearance in court moments ago after being arrested in georgia. a judge declared aubry lee price legally dead a year ago. police found him very much alive and breaking the law in a different way. jonathan serrie, live in atlanta. that is a twist to this story. there is a lot of twist and turns, jonathan. how did authorities finally catch him? >> reporter: it was a routine traffic stop for a very minor violation. sheriffs deputies patrolling i-95 in southeast georgia notice ad pickup truck driving with extremely dark windows. so it was this minor tinting violation that led them to pull over this vehicle and turns out the man behind those dark windows was none other than 47-year-old aubry lee price. the former bank director is accuses of stealing, embezzling, misappropriating more than $20 million from month come bank and trust in georgia and falsifying reports

bush, and jonah goldberg, editor at large nor national review online -- for national review online. let's consider the case of the woman that the president -- well, she introduced the president, and the president talked about her a lot during his remarks there, katherine hackett of connecticut. worked for a long time, ross her job, two sons in the military, just needs a little help, you know, paying the mortgage and getting back on her feet. says she would take a job in a heartbeat if she could find one, but she can't find one. how do you say, i mean, americans are not hard-hearted people. how do you say that somebody like that shouldn't get some more unemployment benefits? >> well, first of all, unemployment is not an entitlement, an unfunded entitlement. it's supposed to be a kind of insurance program where you put in money, and then you get it back when you get unemployed. and these benefits have run out for a long time for most of these people. but i'm not necessarily against extending unemployment benefits, i think you could make a case for it if it was part of an overall packag

and editor at large, jonah goldberg, let me play for you our good friend carry picket had had a chancelk to the new mayor of new york, comrade de blasio, asked him what he thought. >> i want to get your thoughts on governor cuomo's remarks, who is actually welcomed in new york, as far as being pro life, second amendment. i want to get your thoughts on that. >> well, i agree with governor cuomo on those remarks, i believe the governor is right saying the people of the state of new jersey reject the extremist views, against the woman's wife to choose and in favor of the proliferation of guns in our society. i stand by those remarks. >> he agrees with those remarks, doubles down, what should a person take out of that? >> well, first of all it is good to be back on the show. you know, de blasio is -- actually he is way to the left of andrew cuomo. in some ways i wouldn't be surprised if he called cuomo an extremist. what he is trying to do in new york as far as i can tell, the new york city that i grew up in, is he is trying to go back to the wonderful years of the 1970s, where new york pu

[inaudible conversations] up next on booktv "after words" with guest host jonah goldberg of the national review. this week's yuval levin and is look "the great debate" edmund burke, thomas paine, and the birth of the right and the left. in it, the founder and editor of national affairs discusses the origin of the political left, right divide arguing that today's partisanship begin with the debates over the french revolution. this program is about an hour. >> host: hi yuval. thanks for joining us. welcome to c-span. i am going to be grilling you on your book, "the great debate" and i will try to do my best five -- which means a lot of profanity and we will see where it goes. i will just start right off the bat, who was edmund burke? >> guest: edmund burke was an irish born english politician, statesman and political thinker and writer of the late 18th century. he was born in 1729. he lived until 1727. his political career is really from the late 17 60's until his death and it was an unusual political career and that it was a very much intellectual career. from the very beginning he was as

huan williams, and jonah goldberg this is what i call the go-to panel. go-to panel, but steve. >> well, i think the first thing that has to be said is, i have to spraz the senate democrats who issued this report. it's a tough report. it's very, very tough on the state department. obviously, as we just heard the report concludes without qualifiers that al qaeda elem t elements were involved. it names the four specific al qaeda groups who played a role or who contributed participant in the attack. both of which undermine the administration's narrative, certainly the narrative the "new york times" tried to sell a couple weeks ago, but it's a tough report. having said all that, it doesn't answer all the questions. there are many questions that still remain to be answered. that's one of the criticisms the republicans in their additional views to the report, led by saxby cham bsax bae ch saxby chambliss also made note of. they could have been tougher on the talking points controversy. they skated right by the talking points and didn't really criticize the admi

up next on booktv, "after words" with jonah goldberg of the "national review." this week yuval levin and his book an 11 in it, the founder and editor of national affairs discusses the origin of the political left-right divide, arguing that today's partisanship began with the debate over the french revolution. this program is about one hour. >> host: i, yuval. thanks for joining us. welcome to c-span. i'm going to be going you on your block, "the great debate," and i'll try to do my best, which things a lot of profanity and we will see where it goes. so let's just start right off the bat. who was edmund burke? >> guest: edinburg was an irish born english politician, statesman, critical thinker and writer in the late 18th century. he was born in 1729. he lived until 1797. his political career is really from the late 1760s until his death, and it was an unusual political career in that it was also very much an intellectual career. from the very beginning he was as much a think as a politician, and the thinking he did was about how to help his country through a peri

times by jonah goldberg.l be. unlike some recent gop nominees to struggled to be merely lifelike, christie has an authenticity and charisma most national republicans lack. we thought he was going to be the next messiah, barbara walters recently said. the ardor has diminished but the skepticism remains. christie, like most republicans, never benefited from such skepticism and never will. >> ask hillary clinton about the effect that the press what, that president obama had. >> we'll most likely get to see it again in 2016. don't most people speculate whether christie will have the juice to get through iowa? >> that is the question that people ask. >> jonah goldberg writes chris christie is getting hammered. i draw that there's a conservative who actually says something nice about chris christie. he's exactly right. most national republicans are not -- you know, are not as lifelike on stage and not as charismatic and not as big as it usually takes to occupy space on the national stage. >> that's right. again, re

bill: jonah goldberg, "national review," fox news contributor. jonah, good morning to you. what specifically kicked off this case now? >> in 2012 president obama, we're not on the air. bill: yes, we are, jonah. keep going. >> we are on the air? i apologize. in 2012 president obama appointed some nominees to the national labor relations board and basically what he did was he did it when the senate was essentially in miniscule break. the senate was formally in session. the senate was in session to prevent the president from making these appointments. he basically declared unilaterally if there is slightest thing looks like a recess he can make appointments unilaterally. bill: you said what he did in 2012 was lawless. lawless. how so? >> first of all it is part of a larger pattern of this president from unilateral actions on obamacare but the standards that he considered to be the law of the land himself when he was a senator and when harry reid was doing pro form ma sessions in the senate to block appointments he considered law of the land. like some other things with this pr

also jonah goldberg, editor-at-large of nationalreview.online and a fox news contributor. mr.ma, juan, is saying if congress won't go along with the things he wants to do he will make an end-run around congress, issue executive orders whenever he can, good idea or no? >> it his only idea at the moment. he was a frustrated man and i was worried yesterday he would come out be pretty resigned to dealing with unpopular congress an attack that congress. i don't think that is what he did. i think he benefited from the idea there are such low expectations for what he can do given the congressional intransigence especially among tea party republicans in the house and simply said here are some steps that i want to take, things we can do. the only real direct threat was to say he would veto any effort to place further sanctions on iran at this moment. jon: juan, let me stick with you for just a second. unpopular congress, yes, but each of its members were duly elected just as he has and they have ideas and constituents to serve. why not try to bridge some of these differences and work t

jonah goldberg had this on the benghazi report and he is surprised, too.t and intelligence bureaucracy and hillary clinton's name i think appeared in the entire document once. the state department made all these mistakes, it did no independent intelligence investigation after this happened, after people died. 15 people have died, cooperated with -- cooperated with the investigations in libya. and there is no mention of hillary. basically barak obama is absent, too. it seems like part of the negotiation that led to this report was a way to avoid casting specific blame on anybody who matters. >> blame and accountability, something that was indeed lacking at the time and still now. jonah makes an interesting point there. is this just about playing politics? really, marco rubio, he's saying look, let's get the context right here. there was an election going on. the truth in terms of what happened in benghazi and the deaths that occurred, brutally at the hands of enemy, that was just a little inconvenient and here is why. >> remember, this is in the middle of t

and ron williams and jonah go goldberg. and a closer look at the afghanistan and egyptians.seven empty minutes. >> a guilty plea in a murder case sparked a brawl in an ohio courtroom. you can see it turns out the defendant cut a deal for a lighter sentence and the victim's brother wasn't happy and started fighting with the defendant's brother. they were charged with con temp tv court and assaulting a police officer. >> criminals looking to cash in on the sex trade in new york for the super bowl and the police are waiting for them. how serious of a problem will this be during the super bowl? >> it is going to be a big problem. this is a sick business story. but it is a business story. 10,000 women and children are trafficked in miami during the super bowl in 2010. we are talking about 27 million people worldwide. 1700 foreign nationals trafficking the united states. it isn't just foreigners. we are talking about u.s. kids -- 244,000 american children are at risk. the good news is this: the law enforcement authorities are dealing with this. we have hearings in washington. we h

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