thank you for joining us for this session with bruce dole and conservative columnist jonah goldberg. ldberg's book is for people serious about reading about the political world in which we reside. those who follow his commentary understand why he sees trump is

[laughter] [applause] night, jonah goldberg with his book so was side of the west argues that tribalism, populism and nationalism life-threatening american democracy. by the editorwed of commentary magazine. posit thatbook, you the western civilization as we understand it is unnatural. what do you mean by that? >> if you took humans and cleared them of all of our education and put them in their natural environment, we would not be having conversation about books or doing podcasts. we would be teaming up into s, settingds and troop ourselves against other animals and troops because that is our nature. that is the point of lord of the flies. you have these kids who are the pinnacle of western civilization at the time, these kids from a british boarding school. the second you put them back in natural environment, they start killing each other. that is humanity. >> watch sunday night at 9 p.m. eastern on c-span two's book tv. by there joined now senior policy advisor at goldwater institute. she is here to talk about the terminally ill -- talk about the recent right to die legislation that w

conversations] >> you have been watching and listening to best-selling author and commentator jonah goldberg discussing the fate of american democracy. the printers role at first will continue in a few minutes with a look at the life of the late chicago mayor washington. this is booktv on c-span2's live coverage. [inaudible conversations] >> nonfiction audiobooks according to audible. topping the list -- a look at the best-selling audiobooks according to audible continues with -- some of these authors have appeared on booktv. you can watch them on our website booktv.org. >> when donald trump ran for president and gave his inaugural address, america is essentially a day or two from the apocalypse. what i found looking at the experience of his first year historically was as follows. donald trump was fortunate to take office when he did. unlike abraham lincoln he didn't have to deal with the secession of 7 states during appear go between his election it is inauguration. unlike richard nixon he did not inherit a war in which more than half 1 million american soldiers were bogged down. unlike fra

u bruce dold and jonah goldberg. mr. goldberg's book is about understanding the political world in which we recite that the new book helps those who follow commentary understand why trump is amiss -- to reagan's populism and further explains why he believes that the current challenge for conservatives is to figure out how they can acquire reagan as principles. one way to think about this book are there many antecedents to this church environment. there is a history. patient explanation of a set of beliefs to illuminate the paralyzing divisions we see now in american society. please welcome r. bruce dold and jonah goldberg. [applause] >> thank you. thanks everybody for braving the chicago elements today and thank you jonah for braving host here in the chicago elements today. you made it. glad to have a chance talk about this. i want to take you through the argument in the book but let's go right to the spoiler alert periods "suicide of the west," graham title, no question mark. "suicide of the west" does the patient survi

. >> up next, on the tvs "af words" syndicated columnist jonah goldberg argues that tribalism, populism and nationalism are threatening american democracy. he's interviewed by joh the edir of commentary magazine. it's a weekly interview program with relevant vessels interviewing top nonfiction authors about their latest work. >> jonah goldberg, in your book you posit that everything we take for granted in every freedom that we have, every economic advantage that we possess as americans and as people of the west all of these are a radically new development in the history of humankind, number one and number two are unnatural that western civilization, as we understand it, or contemporary american west and democratic civilization is unnatural and what you mean by that? >> guest: first of all, great to see you, john. >> host: i'm just following the brian lamb model of acting as though we never met each other and have no preliminary and we are old friends and do a podcast together and constantly exchange insults on twitter and all that. >> guest: i saved her life in prison. >> host: i did wa

. >> tonight, jonah goldberg with thatook, which argues populism and nationalism threaten democracy.johnerg is interviewed by podhoretz. thatu posited contemporary american western democratic civilization is not natural. what do you mean? oft if you cleared humans education and put them in natural environments, we would not have conversations about books and podcast. defending ourselves against other troops because this is what our nature is and it is sort of the point of lord of the flies. you have these kids who are from a british boarding school and naturalthem into a environment and they get suspicious and start killing each other. that is humanity. on tv.ght, to talk about federal funding for arts henry s, two guests, donahue, with h1 save the music actor/musician, erich bergen. thanks for joining us. brings you to capitol hill for funding for arts programs? h1 save the music foundation our mission is restoring music programs in public schools around the country. 21 years we've invested over $50 million of private schools to bring back over 2000 school music programs across the

. >> up next, on the tvs "af words" syndicated columnist jonah goldberg argues that tribalism, populism and nationalism are threatening american democracy. he's interviewed by joh the edir of commentary magazine. it's a weekly interview program with relevant vessels interviewing top nonfiction authors about their latest work. >> jonah goldberg, in your book you

jonah goldberg is with us. cancellation was depicted as trump throwing a tantrum and being i am prulsive. are most of journalists in favor of this meeting in the. jonah: probably. there is a general view their tear fired someone like john bolton, and terrified donald trl be eager to go to war, which i don't think is justified on his record on these issues. trying dipmacy fits within their ideological wheel house. i also think donald trump has been in his typical way brilliant as staging this as an unfolding reality show drama. and the press loves it. howie: and they want to go to singapore to cover this. ' the headlines, critics worry trump is already handing propaganda victories to north korea. just by going's elevating kim jong-un on the world stage. jonah: i think that's fair, but who cares so much. i personally think, i will take all betters. there is no way north korea actually denuclearizes in the way the trump administration defines denuclearization. but we have gone through diplomatic channels and niceti

darting saturday at 11 am eastern with national reviews jonah goldberg and his book against the west. kerry kennedy, daughter of robert kennedy and her book robert f kennedy, social. professor wendy for perlman with request originated called. voices from syria. and historian roger biles , author of mayor harold washington, champion of race and were in chicago. on sunday our coverage continues at 11 am eastern president of the aclu nadine strassman and her book why we should resist free speech, not censorship. journalists biggest titles with his book everything you love will burn, inside the rebirth of white nationalism in america . pulitzer prize winning author jackie will: the making of an american seat and author robert churchman with rocket man, the gary odyssey of apollo 8 and the afterthoughts made man's first journey to the moon. watch our life weekend coverage of the 34th annual printers row literature in chicago starting saturday at 11 am eastern on the tv. >>. >> senator marco rubio. >>

starting saturday with jonah goldberg and "suicide for the west." ripplesf. kennedy: of hope." "we crossed a bridge and it trembled: voices from syria." "mayor herald washington: champion of race and reform in chicago." sunday, coverage continues at 11:00 a.m. eastern with the former president of the aclu and her book, "hate: why we should resist it with free speech, not censorship." a journalist with his book "everything you love will burn: inside the rebirth of white nationalism in america." "the gulf: the making of an american sea." men: the daring odyssey of apollo eight and the astronauts who made man's first journey to the moon." watch online weekend coverage of the 34th annual printers row lit fest in chicago starting saturday at 11:00 a.m. eastern on c-span2's book tv. >> sunday on q&a, new york times columnist -- a new york times columnist talks about his book, "to change the church: pope francis and the future of catholicism." >> he thinks the church needs to change in various ways, particularly around issues related to the sexual revolution, marriage, divorce, folks

>>host: tee17 in your book you say that everything we have, jonah goldberg that we progressive americans, all of these are actually a radically new development in the history of humankind, number one and number two, are unnatural. but western civilization as we understand it or contemporary civilization is unnatural. what do you mean by that? mac first of all, great to see you. [laughter] following the brian lamb model acting like we have never met each other but to constantly exchange info on twitter but i did want to adhere to the c-span model maxell part what i do in the book it isn't so much to say i have the fax with a perfect version of what happened in the history, not claiming that that amassing people tilt their head a little bit to step back and look at the world around them with fresh eyes. a big part of my argument is just to simply say that human nature is a thing. it is a constant one my favorite definitions is human nature has no history. take a baby from today you send it back 1000 years then it will grow up to be a viking. if you take a viking baby grows up to be in orth

thank you for joining us for this session with bruce dole and conservative columnist jonah goldberg. mr. goldberg's book is for people serious about reading about the political world in which we reside. those who follow his commentary understand why he sees trump is an as a pretender to reagan populism and why he believes the current challenge for conservatives is to apply reagan principles. one way to think about this book is there are many antecedents to this charged environment the didn't just happen with mr. trump. this is a patient explanation, not the paralyzing divisions we have in this society. [applause] >> thanks for braving the chicago elements today. thank you for the argument in the book, let's go to the spoiler alert. suicide of the west, grim title, no question marks, does the patient survive? thank you for having me, thank you to all the people who showed up including all the chicago conservatives and i mean that thoroughly. not figuratively the way joe biden means literally. so one of my favorite sayings about america is it could choke on a gnat and swallow tigers wh

adrienne elrod, jonah goldberg of national review. let me start with you, optics in canada and explosive words from peter navarro that clearly was unlike a direct message from president trump on air force one? >> yes, so i'm not an expert on all things but i'm pretty sure your admittance to hell is not entirely contingent upon attitude on donald trump and whether or not you agree with trade policies. i'm not sure there's a special place in trudeau. i thought that was a little over the top and donald trump's performance in china. i understand he likes optics, be seen to be standing up into globalist order but these are our closest allies and justifying tariffs that's national security issue and when pressed on it, no, it's because of dairy subsidies in canada and i think that's going to create real policy problems going forward. >> adrienne, democrats like idea of protections to protect u.s. industries, from the democratic point of view with new trade policy and talk of tariffs, is president trump on the right track? >> no, absolutely

. >> sunday night, syndicated columnist jonah goldberg with his book, argues that tribalism, populism and nationalism are threatening american democracy. mr. goldberg is interviewed by the editor of commentary magazine. that your book, you posit western civilization as we understand it or contemporary american western democratic civilization is unnatural. what do you mean by that? >> if you took humans and cleared them of all of our civilizational education and put them in their natural environment, we would not be having conversations about books or doing podcasts. we would be teaming up into little bands and troops, defending ourselves against animals and other bands. that is exactly what our nature is. that is the point of lord of the flies. you have these kids who were the pinnacle of western civilization at the time. these kids from a british order school. almost instantly, the second you put them back in a natural environment, they start getting fears, attack each other. that is humanity. >> sunday night at 9 p.m. eastern on c-span2's book tv. >> monday night on the communicator

. >>> sunday night, syndicated columnist jonah goldberg with his book suicide of the west, argues that tribalism, populism and nationalism are threatening american democracy. mister goldberg is interviewed by the editor of commentary magazine. >> in your book, you posit that western civilization as we understand it, or contemporary western democratic simulation -- democratic civilization is unnatural. what do you mean by that? >> if you took humans and cleared them of all of our civilizational education and put them in their national -- in their natural environment, we would be teaming up in little bands and troops, defending ourselves against animals and other bands and troops, because that is what our nature is. that is the point of lord of the flies. you have these kids who were the pinnacle of western civilization at the time. they came from a british boarding school and almost instantly, the second you put them back in a natural environment, they become tribal and superstitious, they kill each other. that is humanity. >> watch afterwards, sunday night at 9 pm eastern on c-span 2 i

. >> "after words" program is with syndicated columnist jonah goldberg. he argues that tribalism, populism and nationalism are threatening american democracy. he's interviewed by john pot hotter of "commentary magazine." and also onoo

please welcome bruce and jonah goldberg. [applause]. >> thank you, margaret. thank you for braving the chicago elements today and thank you jona for braving no hair and the chicago elements today. he made it. i want to take you through the argument of the book, but let's go right to the spoiler alert. "suicide of the west", graham title, no? no question mark. >> first of all, thank you for having me and thank you for doing this including all the chicago conservatives and, i mean, that literally. >> show of hands? [laughter] >> not the way joe biden means literally. one of my favorite things about america is it can choke on a gnat, but swallow tigers hold and i'm still an optimist, but the point of the title, i mean, i agree it's kind of a grim title, not quite take a bath with a toaster, but it's close. i didn't say deaths of the west or decline of the west, i said suicide of the west in part because and i hate using the word suicide now given the terrible things going on, so let's just stipulate that those are tragedies and all of that, but suicide is a choic

jonah goldberg has wrote an interesting book in which he argues in part that political discourse has moved away from trying to persuade those who disagree with you to just riling up your base and that's what this is about. this is about fear of the other, it's about saying, we have to deter these people without thinking about why do you think someone is willing to imperil themselves and their young children by making a journey that could kill them by an arrest and detention, that's all they have. that's not going to be solved by this deterrence policy. >> david gregory and david chalian, thank you both very much for all of the analysis. >>> so president trump is going to be heading to capitol hill today. we have bob goodlatte who has been spearheading one of the immigration plans that he says could put an end to this separation policy. so what will they accomplish? will we see something change? i'm about to start the hair, skin and nails challenge. so my future self will thank me. thank you. i become a model? yes. no. start the challenge today. and try new tropical citrus flavor with

adrienne elrod, fours former advisor to hillary clinton campaign and jonah goldberg of the national reviewoughts about the optics and the substance of the g7 summit in canada and especially those explosive words we just heard from peter navarro that clearly was on a direct message from president trump on air force one? >> i'm not at director on all things illogical but i'm pretty sure your admittance to hell is not hinged on your attitude toward president trump or his trade policies. i thought that was more than a little over the top. as i did i thought donald trump's entire performance in canada. i understand he likes the optics. it works for them domestically with his base to be seen as standing up to the globalist world order and whatnot. but these are our closest allies. he saying that he is legally justifying these tariffs on the ground that it's a national security issue. but when expressed pressed on with a little bit he says it's really because of dairy subsidies in canada and i think that's going to create real policy problems for him going forward. >> chris: democrats generally l

then at 10:00, jonah goldberg argueses that tribalism, possiblism and national jim are threatening american democracy. he is interviewed by the editor of commentary manage, and we wrap up the programming at 11:00 p.m. with senator bernie sander discussing this book "where we good from here." that happens tonight on book k. 72 hours of nonfiction authors and books this holiday weekend. television for serious readers. >> good evening. that's very loud. makes me sound kind of cool. very, very glad to see so many of you here and exceptionally pleases to see a lot of new faces don't think i've seen before so please come back. we do this on a regular basis. very, very pleased to be with you tonight, and welcome to louisiana memorial pavilion. also like to welcome our live stream and our audience which will be on c-span because we are that cool. i'm the deck e executive director of the institute for the study of war and democracy at the national world war ii museum. we like to refer to ourself as a community of scholars and have a number of friendly scholars from the area in the audience tonight.

jonah goldberg, senior editor at national review. a.b. stoddard, real clear politics.ilton, former advisor to british prime minister david cameron and a host of "the next revolution" on fox news channel. clearly both sides are positioning here and when schumer admits, concedes that democrats are not signing onto any piece of legislation even if it moves this week, it's pretty telling. >> that same mistake, obviously. there are about 12 senators, i think there might be more by now, a bipartisan list from imploring the trump administration to do that. to end the policy on their own without legislation. but if the congress is willing to sort of give cover and pass legislation, if it's going to be narrow and is going to be, the president is asking for a kitchen sink. he doesn't want piecemeal. he wants the whole thing. if they are women, republicans, to codify him for men -- the president needs to stop lying about this. the policy needs to end. they should remain as a unit. if republicans are smart, they will urge the president and the meeting, apparently talking among oth

. >> shannon: jonah goldberg, senior editor at national review. page, washington bureau chief at usa today "usa today." byron york, chief political correspondent of the "washington examiner." welcome to all of you. this discussion about mccabe and immunity. it comes ahead of the inspector general's reports. are they connected? >> i'm sure they are connected. how and in what way remains to be seen. i personally am very much in favor of getting all the information out here, whatever it is about comey, all of it. i am not sure it tracks to say we have to get to the bottom of this, as senator cornyn was saying no way should we give this guy immunity. if that's the way you get the information out of him, the argument they go the other way. it seems to me there is an interest in the optics which are very bad for mccabe, very bad for comey to have the number two guy at the fbi pleading the fifth. if we want to get the information, i am agnostic. if he deserves to go to jail, i want him to go to jail. if he doesn't deserve it, i don't but the american peo

then at 10:00, jonah goldberg argueses that tribalism, possiblism and national jim are threatening americanemocracy. he is interviewed by the editor of commentary manage, and we wrap up the programming at 11:00 p.m. with senator bernie sander discussing this book "where we good from here." that happens tonight on book k. 72 hours of nonfiction authors and books this holiday weekend. television for serious readers.

. >> sunday afterwards, columnist jonah goldberg with his book suicide of the west. argues that tribalism, populism and nationalism are threatening american democracy. mister goldberg's interview by john potter work, editor of commentary magazine. >> through your book, you posit that western civilization as we understand it or contemporary american western democratic civilization is unnatural. what do you mean by that? >> if you to humans and you clear them of all our education and put them in their natural environment, we wouldn't be having conversations about books or doing podcast, we would be teaming up into little lands and troops, setting ourselves against animals and other bands and troops. that is what our actual nature is. at the point of lord of the flies. in the lord of the flies you have these kids who are the pinnacle of western civilization. kids from a british boarding school and almost instantly, the second you put them back in a natural environment, they start becoming tribal. they sat each other. that humanity. >> watch afterwards day at 9 pm easter

announcer 2: sunday night on afterwards, jonah goldberg with his book argues that tribalism, populism and nationalism are threatening american democracy. he is interviewed by the editor of commentary magazine. that your book, you posit western civilization as we understand it or contemporary american western democratic civilization is unnatural. what do you mean by that? >> if you took humans and cleared them of civilization them in theirput natural environment, we would not be having conversations about books or podcasts. we would be teaming up into little bands and troops, setting ourselves against animals and other bands and troops. that is our actual nature. that is the point of lord of the flies. in lord of the flies you have these kids who are the western civilization, from a british boarding school, and almost instantly the set -- the second you put them in their natural environment, they become superstitious, kill each other. that is humanity. on "bookafterwords tv." announcer 2: "american history tv" is on c-span3 every weekend, featuring museum tours, films on the presidency

>> i bet jonah goldberg a bottle of liquor there will be a justice by the start of the next term. [laughter] >> a will be on the court by the time the next term starts in october at which point all the new challenges begin. the last question i have is how aggressive will the courts conservatives be or business groups libertarian organization organizations, cato institute as an example to push a new generation of cases to the court and to adopt restrictions on abortion so do you feel with that inevitability with these new issues strapping rockets to them? or what the new justice will do? >> and that the chief justice was courting that challenge in the fourth amendment context. >> we are not asking to overturn that today in this case or throughout the opinion but i imagine that is coming. >> i think with lgbt that challenge is already there they have been planted around the country and percolating so there was some expectation of the finding that they thought at least with the lgbt for example as they walk into a shop to refer to the event planner with the cake and then to experienc

syndicated columnist jonah goldberg with his book "a thatde of the west" argues tribalism, populism, and nationalism are threatening american democracy. he is entered -- interviewed by the editor of commentary magazine. posit thatbook, you western civilization as we understand it or contemporary american western democratic civilization is unnatural. what do you mean by that? youf you took humans and cleared them of all of our civilization education, and put them in their national environment, we wouldn't the having conversations about books are doing podcasts. we would be teaming up into little bands of troops, sending ourselves against animals and other bands of troops, that is what our actual major is. -- nature is. that is the point of lord of the flies. these kids were the pinnacle of civilization, a british boarding school. and almost instantly, the second you put them back in the natural environment, they get very tribal, they kill each other, they attack each other. that is humanity. tonight onterword c-span eastern. now, a debate on president trump's foreign and messing polic

eastern with jonah goldberg and his book "suicide of the west." cary kennedy and her book " robert kennedy, ripples of hope." we crossed an with " bridge and it trembled." and a historian, author of "mayor harold of washington, champion of race and reform in chicago." our coverage continues at 11:00 a.m. eastern saturday with the former president of the aclu and "hate: why should we should resist it with free speech and not censorship." and inside the rebirth of white nationalism in american. author robert courson with "rocket men: the daring odyssey of apollo eight and the astronauts who made man's first journey to the moon." watch our live eastern coverage of the road fest in chicago starting saturday at 11:00 a.m. eastern on c-span two's book tv. c-span, where history unfolds daily. c-span, where history unfolds daily. in 1979, c-span was created as a public service by america's cable television companies and is brought to you today by your cable or satellite provider. youontinue to bring unfiltered coverage of congress, the white house, the su

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america or television and radio hosts reflected on his broad crest career and syndicated column is jonah goldbergwaited on threats to democracy work in the coming weeks on afterwards amanda carpenter, former staffer for ted cruz provides a critical analysis of president trumps political messaging. journalist mike adams recants his 3000-mile trek to alaska and this weekend pediatric physician doctor mona he tells her efforts to provide scientific evidence that children in flint, michigan were exposed to lead poisoning through the city's water supply. >> after the crisis was revealed and we worked to recover we were starting to get more and more water lead levels and people were getting tested and lead levels of thousands of parts per billion and there is no safe lead level at all in my saddest day came when the lead level of a home which is adjacent to the hospital, a home for foster children and troubled children next to the hospital and their lead in level came back at 5000 parts, so the action level for a wall street-- water system is 15 parts 4 billion and it should be zero, but this home was

today" congressional reporter eliza collins, "ballotpedia" editor, scott rasmussen and columnist jonah goldberg. california and new jersey, where there is a good chance, there is a very good chance democrats could flip those seats. i say could. doesn't guarranty they would. that is 12 seats right there of the 23 they would need. how doable is that? >> it is very doable as long as democrats don't step on themselves. we're really watching california. you said granddaddy of them all, they have a different system. they have the jungle primary system, the top two people come out of the primary, no matter what parties go into runoff. not like other states where republicans have a primary and democrats have a primary. there are seven seats the democrats are targeting they have a chance. hillary clinton won s some are open. but, the democratic enthusiasm is actually kind of a problem for them here because they have so many people running, that the vote could be split and in theory, two republicans could end upcoming out of these primaries. in at least two, looking like two or three of these. democrats

syndicated columnist jonah goldberg waiting on threats to democracy, former national intelligence directorames clapper offered his insights into the us intelligence community and best-selling author harbor ehrenreich or the science behind how the body ages. in the coming weeks on "after words", congressman john delaney, the first democrat to declare for the presidential election willlay out his vision for america . mona had a will detail her efforts to provide scientific evidence of lead poisoning in the water supply in flint michigan and this weekend, television and radio host bill press reflects on his broadcast career. >> i was in los angeles in delaware doing radio and tv. the time, i was with tco tv channel 13 and the rodney king riots happened. we were on la brea avenue, that's where the views are located at the time i was a member of first ame church which is a black church in south centralla , wonderful community. and so i wanted to be where the riots were, i wanted to be with my people. so i suggested to our news director bob that i was in commentary on the evening news. can:00 ne

jonah goldberg senior editor and author of suicide of the west.n a-team. >> bill: we don't have to read off your resume every time. do we? welcome back to new york city. what do you think based on what we heard? >> i think devin nunes made a good comment on sunday on my show sunday morning futures saying you either want to be a part of the cleanup crew or the cover-up crew. and it is interesting that we're just getting this text from peter strzok here in the i.g. report when he says we'll stop. at least page said will donald trump become president? no, we'll stop it. that was on august 8th of 2016. peter strzok took over the trump russia collusion case on july 31, 2016. nine days later he said we'll stop it. four days after that he said we need an insurance policy. we knew about the insurance policy text. but we're just getting we'll stop it now. so again, are you part of the cleanup or are you part of the cover-up? >> i think it's indisputable that peter strzok is in trouble. this looks really bad for the f.b.i. and it is interesting to watch the

jonah goldberg fox news contributor, i know you were close to him. i know you shared a lot of time with him. tell us the story. >> well, it's so hard to do because -- it's funny, from the outside when you watch dr. krauthammer, when you watch charles on tv or read his column britt was making this point last night as well. there was always -- i've said all these things to his face. there was a dr. strange love kind of dark, you know, harshness to his appearance for a lot of people because he was so blisteringly smart and so blunt and so surgical in his analysis that it would sometimes seem like he didn't have a lot of feelings. he was just giving this dispassionate analysis. but then when you actually saw him in the greenroom here at fox or you saw him elsewhere over a meal or anything like that, all of that melted away and he was this unbelievably happy warrior. and one of the ways -- i'm not a huge baseball fan but the single best way i ever knew whether or not a national game was playing on a given night was by seeing how happy charles was when he

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i name it after a podcast by jonah goldberg at "national review" he says it's for people who feel likeonstantly losing their minds or like everyone around them has lost their minds. they don't dislike everything trump does. they dislike a lot of it and they're not afraid to say it when they do but they try to take things issue by issue but that faction doesn't have infrastructure to it. people fit into that category but there's no meetings, there's no super pac. this remnant group doesn't have any organization to it. i'm curious as the weeks unfold if the story gets grimmer for republicans in terms of the midterms, if this family separation issue takes its toll at the polls do more republicans shift from that establishment we fall in line group to begin becoming a little more sfloeg a it wi -- rogue? >> so along these lines, john harwo harwood, your column for cnbc is "how the gop morphed from the party of reagan to the party of trump." we got a poll a couple weeks ago that shows within his own party president trump is more popular within his party than any president since george w. bu

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. >> tonight on afterwards, indicated columnist jonah goldberg with his book "suicide of the west," argues that tribalism, populism, and nationalism are threatening american democracy. he is interviewed by john, the editor of "commentary magazine." >> in your book, you posit western civilization is you understand it, or contemporary , as you understand it, is -- what do you think? >> if you put them in their natural environment, we would not be having conversations about books are doing podcast. we would be teaming up into little bands and troops and setting ourselves against animals and other troops. because that is what our nature is. that is the point of lord of the flies. you have these kids that are the pinnacle of western's realization -- civilization at the time. almost instantly, the second you put them in an actual environment, they get tribal, they carry spears, kill each other. that's humanity. announcer: watch "afterwards" tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern on these bantus book >> it has been a busy week on trade. that is why newsmakers is pleased to welcome the u.s. chamber of comme