join now we have jonah goldberg. his recent book is suicide of the west. we'll get to the subtitle in just a minute. mr. goldberg, is there a line that you can draw between your three books, liberal fascism, and now suicide of the west? >> yes. one, the most obvious is they all took an enormous amount of work by jonah goldberg. i have to tell people that this book is a bit of a prequel to liberal fascism. if i had it all to do over again there are parts of the liberal fascism i would have written differently. it is amazing how it's become kind of a totem for people to hate me on the left or to like it on the right and all of that kind of stuff. but i have changed some of my views about how intellectual history works. in liberal fascism there is a very common tendency that is true of lots of people. on the left and the right, to say they said x in the philosopher b says 500 years later they must've been influenced by philosopher a. and i know some of the stuff goes on but the intellectual connecting of the dots you know, blaming everything on russo. i do no

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"after words" interviews nonfiction authors about their latest work. >> host: jonah goldberg in your book, you posit that, that everything that we take for granted, every freedom that we have, every economic advantage that we possess as americans and as people of the west, all of these are actually a radically new development in the history of humankind, number one, and and number two, are unnatural. that western civilization as we understand it, or contemporary american western democratic civilization is unnaturalwhat do you mean by that? >> guest: so, first of all, great to see you, john. >> host: following the brian lamb model we never met each other and even though we're old friends, do a podcast together and constantly exchange insults on twitter and all that. >> guest: saved your life in prison. >> host: i want to hue to the c-span. >> guest: i appreciate that. right, so, part of what i'm trying to do in the book is get people, not so much, sort of say i have all the right facts, i have the perfect version of what happened in human history and all that, i'm not claiming that. i

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former republican congressman chief it's - - che fits and marie harp from fox news radio and jonah goldberg from the national review. congressman that was interesting development senate republicans are up for reelection are beginning to break with the president to reopen the government. colorado, maine and north carolina. when do you see the shutdown ending? . >> i wish i had that magic ball but the democrats have put themselves in a tough box because the president is on the side of national security. and doing with the border patrol wants to do. 60000 people were apprehended in november and when border patrol says we have to have an impediment to slow them down we have done in the past and it works that is a compelling argument and gardener is a great member of the senate but congress always gravitates to deadlines and pressure points and that is what will get this solved the desire to solve this now rather than down the road. chris: are democrats in the hole and need to get out? . >> i don't think so i think most americans agree this is the presidents shut down with hundreds of thousands

jonah goldberg's new [inaudible conversations] .. >> we're here with mimi swartz to talk but her book, "ticker," which is a page turner. i'm glad here here particularly in terms of headlines and disasters, just to be able to talk but something that affects us all in matters of the heart. is just a great opportunity. so, before we get started, a couple things. we're in this c-span booktv tent, which means we're live, and mimi and i will have a conversation for about 25 minutes or so and then we'll open its up to questions for ten or 15 minutes. if you have a question at the end, go up to a microphone and speak into the microphone and then books are for sell next door, and afterward mimi will be signing companies of their book -- copies of her book in the tent beyond that. so head that way. first my name is kate, and i'm an editor at highline magazine and i know my my because we worked for men years at texas monthlying to and mimi a longtime executive editor at texas monthly and many of you know her pieces from "the new york times." she has also been published in "vanity" fair and "esqu

jonah goldberg, the review senior editor.ditorial director of the "washington examiner," richard fowler. good evening gentlemen. i'll get to some of the celebrities that jumped all in and made fools of themselves yet again, but let's start with the media. shouldn't members of our profession be better than this? >> yes, they absolutely should be. one of the problems that we have -- these problems are not exactly new. there have been motivated reason and bias in mainstream media for larry to make a very long time. we remember the memos under george w. bush, but one of the problems that we get into in this moment is that these tribal anti-trump is it leads people to leap on the slightest bit of provocation and claim that their entire worldview is justified with a morsel of news. twitter and these things accelerated and make it worse. they create a mob mentality. i don't know how you fix that, but there's more responsibility on the press. they are supposed to be the people who were not getting ahead of the facts and that is what

i want to read something from jonah goldberg, if the wall is important why didn't republicans when they were in control of the house, senate and white house get it done? the real crisis isn't national security but a political one for trump. even if you favor a wall or and hence border security that is not an argument for the president declaring a national emergency winners and one in deploying the military without congressional approval on american soil, that would be abuse of power, congress shouldn't stand for one way or another. >> this a serious problem in the american people understand that and we have to get border security done but i do think it should happen with appropriation from congress and we should have done this in march, we should have done this. we were poised to win. a few weeks before the march on the bus, the spending bill, a few weeks prior to that a short-term funding bill to chuck schumer and he shut the government down because he said amnesty was more important than funding our troops and funding the government. >> do you mean a solution for daca? >> that is what

and jonah goldberg of the national review. congressman jason chaffetz, an interesting development.publicans up for reelection in 2020 beginning to break with president so we need to reopen the government. cory gardner, susan collins of maine. how do you see this shutdown ending and went to see the shutdown ending? >> i wish i could have that magic ball. i hope it's sooner rather than later but i think democrats have put themselves in a tough box. the president is on the side of national security, protecting our border and doing what the federal employees, the border patrol wants to do. they had 60,000 people they are to Ãapprehended coming across the board. we have to have some sort of impediment, some sort of barrier. we've done in the past and it works. that's a compelling argument and i'm sensitive to cory gardner was a great member of the united states senate. but now, congress always gravitates to deadlines and pressure points. that's what i think ultimately will get this solved. >>chris: mo, or the democrats the ones in a hole and they need to get out of it? >> i do think so

jonah goldberg at the national review, susan page, the bureau chief in mollie hemingway, the senior editora deal this was, this back and forth. there are a lot of things happening around the world, but it is pretty unique. >> is not a great spectacle. i think donald trump was right to call nancy pelosi's bluff. nancy pelosi doesn't want him there, she should stand up and say so. i have a hard time believing 110% of the american people say they are severely affected by the shutdown according to this poll that even a fraction of those people are really heartbroken that they may not see the state of the union address. this is something that washington cares about a great deal, it will substitute just fine if he gives it from somewhere else. i can't stand the state of union address, so i'm glad to see it taken down a peg. it is a sign of the partisan breakdown in washington. >> bret: you are a truth there, you want the whole thing -- >> i am. woodrow wilson is the worst president in american history, want to leave it there. >> bret: susan, beyond this back and forth, if they can get the addres

marie harf, cohost of benson and harf on fox news radio and jonah goldberg of the national review.essman, an interesting development the last couple of days, three senate republicans who are up for reelection in 2020 are now beginning to break with the president and say we need to reopen the government. cory gardner colorado, susan collins of maine, tom taylors of north carolina. how do you see this shutdown and then, when do you see this shutdown ending? >> i wish i could have that magic ball to tell you exactly what it is. i hope it's sooner rather than later but i think the democrats have really put themselves in a tough spot because the president is on the side of national security, protecting our border and doing what the federal employees, with the border patrol wants to do. 60,000 people they apprehended in november coming across the border and when the border patrol goes out and says we have to have some sort of impediment, something that will slow them down, some sort of wall or barrier, when we got it in the past, it works, that's a compelling argument and i'm sensitive t

host: jonah goldberg's new book. thank you for a few minutes here in miami. guest: great to be here. thank you very much. ♪ >> this week on q&a former us border patrol agent francisco cantu discusses his memoir, "the line becomes a river". >> francisco cantu, author of "the line becomes a river", we did you first think about becoming a writer? guest: i think i first thought about writing about my experiences as a border patrol agents, you know, a year after leaving, i think. i was really trying to grapple with that experience and come to terms with what i had participated in and so that's when i really first asserted thinking i have to write in order to make sense of this. it seems like the only option to kind of get everything down on paper put those experiences in one place. i didn't know it would be a book at the time, but that's how all of that sort of start. host: when with you in border patrol and where did you live during that time? guest: i was in the border patrol from 2008 until 2012. i spent the first two years of my career in a field of station in

of course i should point out that her colleague, brit hume and others, jonah goldberg, have said maybethe circumstance every year is unnecessary and seems like a monarchy at times. besides that group, i think there will be some, stuart, who believe this is all going to work itself out in this is a political ploy. stuart: we shall see. you're not supposed to say only time will tell, but it's accurate. by the way, i was watching last night. i almost fell off my chair when i heard denis hoyer say that. well done. now this. the tsa admits airport screeners are staying home because financial problems caused by the shutdown. the latest numbers show 6% didn't show up to work on tuesday. but the 65% jump in callouts from the same day last year. the airports have got a problem here. president trump talking about missile defense. he says the u.s. will invest in a space-based missile defense technology. any headlines coming from the speech is now giving. yogurt and pronto. the market now looking at a very small loss for the dow. just nine points down. moments ago out of positive territory. now we

join now we have jonah goldberg. his recent book is suicide of the west. we'll get to the subtitle in just a minute. mr. goldberg, is there a line that yca