jonah owen lam. hey, jonah. >> nice to be here. how are you doing? >> good, good, thanks. so when did the term beeping first become a thing in the bay area? >> we don't have an exact point in time, but about the last 5 or 6 years, this is a term that has become popular, kind of a slang sort of appearing in some youtube rap songs. and then it appeared in other places as i've been covering crime in the city for about a decade, and i hadn't heard of it up until last couple years. and the people i interviewed for my story seemed to have started hearing it around 2016, 2017. it just seems to be one of those words that came out of the ether. folks were using it and then it appeared in kind of cultural form. and that's what made me interested in the story. >> all right, so why has san francisco, though, become bip city? >> well, i don't know if you need to ask me that question. i mean, the mayor was just on i think everybody knows that san francisco is one of those hotspots for car break ins. obviously, oakland is, too. and, you know, you might have an argument about where bip ci