>> don't you think liz cheney, this is not my original idea, what jonah suggests, i think, but don't you think liz cheney is by puttingday, suggesting hey, don't listen to me. trump white house counsel attorneys thought that criminal defense attorneys were going to have to be hired by if not donald trump, john eastman and other people part of this? >> absolutely. and you have already seen here, you can assess from just the decision to put out this video, they don't want anyone in the public to already conclude whether or not there's going to be criminal referrals or not at this point. just because the chairman puts out that statement, you don't want at that point people to then walk away thinking this is already sealed and done. what's even going to happen in the next hearing the. >> coming from liz cheney is very different than the black democrat, bennie thompson. the optics of this are very important, especially as we're seeing all of the witnesses so far have been from the republican side of the aisle, have been from inside trump world. >> i think the timing is such a key point here, particularly for liz cheney. th