smith, tracy byrnes, jonas max ferris, john layfield, and david mercer. john, paying for maternity care or other coverage you don't need is all part of america's value system? >> not part of the america i understand. it's part of a socialist system. if that's how you want to view health care, that it's a right, that you don't have to pay for it. we pay taxes to pay for defense. 's not fair to compare it to health care where peopl have the ability to pay for what they use. how about we take the 65% homeowrship right now and have them pay a double mortgage or extra mortgage to pay for the 35% who don't have homes? where does this end, and where does it -- somewhere, we realize health care is not necessarily a specific right. >> well, the problem is, david, that you are paying for things you may not necessarily need, and it's costing more too. is that part of the vae system? >> well, i believe that the whole objective of the affordable care act is to lower costs overall to the economy and to individua. but secondly, with regard to the obama care and what it

smith, tracy byrnes, jonas max ferris, john layfield and bernard whitman. welcome to everybody.ary b., another broken promise? >> absolutely, brenda. the only word i can think of that describes this is despicable. one, you know, as you pointed out right at the top, it's not going to, you know, five million, 10 million people. the number as you pointed out is over 90 million people. that's over a quarter of the population that were, one, lied to. and, two, now forced to go onto plans that are invariably costing more than they are paying for now. so this whole thing about you can keep your plan, and even if you have to kick your plan and search for a better one,it turns out, brenda, it's lie upon lie upon lie. and not only that. maybe the worst part, the reason i say it's despicable, they knew all this before -- well before obama care was implemented. >> bernard, what do you think of that? >> i think it's hysteria gone wild. if 93 million people were about to lose their health insurance in the next two months because of the year end, i think we'd know about it by now. i don't buy