joining me about new opportrtunities and challenges s jonathan aberman of amplifier ventures. government innovation sounds like an oxymoron. what do you mean by this and why is it so? >> simply put, take out your cell phone. everything tt matters came out of the relationship we had with federal security r&d a the things that drive the economy. wewe are where we are as a natin bebecause of national security research and development. that is what i mean by innovation. the issue now more than ever is many new industries for technologies to drive our economy and to meet the emerging national security challenges. >> you are trying to convince government to do this. by the time they get funding for new systems, they are two years behind the curve in technology. how do you make them keep up? >> the good news is, we do not have to convince the government. secretary hagel last week, a whole host of people in the tional security establishment, have said over the last couple of years, wewe need to get natitional security innovators d innovation into nontraditional source the threats we a