that's the largest number in europe joining me live to discuss this is jonathan arnot an m.e.p. for the u.k. independence party until hussain a journalist at five pillars you cajuns when you're both very welcome to the program john the thing can we start with you this initiative that's been set up what's your thoughts on it should it be widely supported. well it seems to me that we live in a free and democratic society and of course anybody who under the law wishes to set up whatever organization they wish to set top has absolutely the right to do so so perfectly free to such a group or however my question would be that when you're talking about what should be widely supported i think frankly we should be thinking an awful lot more about the victims of isis other than of the of the families of those who have committed those atrocities so i suppose my view on this is that it is fine for them to do it but to suggest that one this is science should play a massive role in supporting that i think would be the wrong. delhi what is your thoughts on that particular aspect of resources g