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joining me now is jonathan jones, national nfl writer for sports illustrated and jonathan capehart. >y a reporter. >> jonathan jones, you were at the news conference with goodell. there are reports they didn't take a vote. i wanted to show you questioning him about the policy. >> whose the arbitor of respect for the flag? what would be considered disrespect for the flag and anthem and why would the league and owners kind of willingly attempt to police something that is subjective like this? >> well, i think good general public has a very strong view of what respect for the flag is in that moment. i think the general arbitor will be the club and the leagues and we'll get their viewpoint. >> in other words, he didn't have an answer for you. >> it was pretty unsatisfactory. i guess the idea that everyone understands what respect for the flag is. everyone who is many the stands is taking pictures on their cell phone. that's not respecting the flag. there are folks getting concessions. if you're at home you're grabbing a beer. the idea is rooted in the white male and especially the white m

jonathan capehart is a pulitzer prize winning "washington post" writer, and david pullman, thanks tol of you. mr. capeheart, let me start with you. this is what valerie jarrett said last night at msnbc's town hall on race. >> tone does start at the top. and we like to look up to our president and feel as though he reflects the values of our country. but i also think every individual citizen has a responsibility, too. and it's up to all of us to push back. our government is only going to be as good as we make it be. >> is that -- is that fair, j jonathan capehart? how much of this can we lay at the feet of president trump? >> oh, we can lay a lot of it at the feet of president trump. what valerie jarrett said yesterday at the msnbc town hall forum on everyday racism is exactly what she told me a few months ago when i interviewed her on my podcast here at "the washington post," cape up, where i was asking her, now that she's out of the white house and president trump is president and we had already gone through a list of horrible things with this president in the oval office, and she s

back with me is nbc's germaine lee and jonathan capehart of the "washington post." asked a question, how is the white house going to respond, how is fox news going to respond? we have gotten no reaction really from the white house. but we got this from the president praising roseanne after the show's newest premier a few months ago. listen to back then. >> even roseanne, i called her yesterday, look at her ratings. >> he loves her ratings specifically because of the way it mirrors him, what it looks like for him. the talk was trump supporters were the ones that were watching roseanne, the people that were forgotten in this country, the people who felt like they weren't being heard in the liberal media and liberal entertainment, and look at roseanne, maybe we should look at our audiences and expand our horizons, roseanne has always been a controversial character. we have this from our white house unit. we just saw sarah sanders in the hallway and she had no comment about roseanne being cancelled. we asked when she would have a comment she said it was not clear. they'

my opponent tonight is journalist and "washington post" opinion writer, jonathan capehart. ( cheers andfirst, opposers, there's danger around every corner, and no one's better at sniffing that danger out than e.p.a. administrator and smog rights activist scott pruitt. scott and i go way back. we have a hunting trip every fall where we douse a forest in napalm, put on gas masks, and go see what died. ( laughter )

. >> joining me now eric voller and jonathan capehart and i a richelle bernard.o play you the first 38 seconds of rudy giuliani's interview this morning with george step nop louse. >> the president does acknowledge meeting stormy daniels, correct? >> you know, i'm not really involved in the daniels thing, so i don't know. i mean, he denies that it happened. she has written a letter denying it. >> we have a picture of them together. >> depends what you mean my met her. >> there's the picture. i just want that fact on the table. >> it looks like my friend donald trump before he was president, and that looks like the woman that was on "saturday night live" last night. >> that's right. >> i think she kind of got -- if i were her lawyer, i'd be very upset. fame and fortune, let me make money. how is she damaged? >> that's how it started. eric, that was the beginning of the interview. >> yeah. he's had quite a week, right? i mean, you know, rudy giuliani is an attorney the way michael cohen is an attorney. so trump clearly hired his mini me, right? rudy has become this

. >> here's what's so striking about this question also, jonathan capehart, is that this question wasong before the fbi raids of michael cohen's office, his home, his hotel room. so they knew back then, if you take this -- what michael is saying about this question, that there's some kind of communication. their question is what communications did you have with michael cohen, felix sater, and others, including foreign nationals, about russian real estate developments during the campaign? and so it could be that what robert mueller already knows about that is part of what he was referring when he referred the case to the southern district of new york to say, you better go and raid that place because there's stuff up there that you have to get now. >> right. it seems to me that these questions and what you just laid out in your question to me shows once again that bob mueller, special counsel mueller, knows everything. he is the closest we are going to come to a god-like figure, omniscient. tough competition, but we're talking about two different investigations here. >> right. >> so wit

i'm joined by seth waxman and jonathan capehart from the "washington post."emen, thank you so much. seth, to you first. it seems he's bandying about this big bow cave pardons for one fat reason. i got something for you, michael cohen. just shut up. >> to me it couldn't be any more clear. is he hanging this out there sendsing a message to the people close to him that have been indicted or may be that if you stand tall for me, you stick by me, you don't point the finger at me or turn state's evidence, i've got a pardon and get out of jail free. stand tall. >> part of this is a bouquet of constituencies. jack johnson if he has a black studency. a lot of people follow boxing follow jack johnson. martha stewart is bandied about. she served her time. blagojovich, the former governor of illinois, he is sitting in prison after four or five years in a 14-year sentence. we'll have his lawyer on in a minute. what are these different elements? scooter libby, neo-con, anti-immigrant. sort of a nice bouquet there. also as seth said, promises a free ride out of town if you

ruth marcus, eli stokols, and jonathan capehart.sk you about this circling the wagon because it just seems like on all fronts, i'm not going to compare it to a certain german leader once, but at one time hold the line on the eastern front at all costs. he's doing that. he doesn't give an inch now on anything. >> he doesn't give an inch, but i don't think it's actually out of weakness. i think it's out of strength. he's doing exactly what he said he was going to do. i'm not advocating these positions. he's doing exactly what he wants, not out of the need to kowtow to his base, but because his base is loving it, and he is -- >> okay, eli, i'm going to try you on this. how come after the shooting at parkland high school, down there in parkland, florida, he did budge. he budged in that meeting we all watched in the candidate room. he talked about, you know, all kinds of background checks and all this stuff, and he talked about -- let's take a look at it because that's who he was. let's take a look. >> i'd rather have you come up with a

ruth marcus, editor for "the washington post" and contributor, eli stokols, contributor and jonathan capehartnion writer for "the washington post." they're all both contributors. let me ask you about this circling the wagon. it seems like on all fronts, i'm not going to compare it to a certain german leader, hold the line on the eastern front, take all the casualties but hold the line. he's doing that. he doesn't give an inch on anything. >> he doesn't give an inch. i don't think it's actually out of weakness. i think it's out of strength. he's doing exactly what he said he was going to do. i'm not advocating these positions. he's doing exactly what he wants. not out of the need toffee kowtow to his base but because his base is loving it and he is. >> eli, i'm going to try you on this. how come after the shooting in parkland in florida, he did budge. he budged in that meeting we all watched in the candidate room. he talked about all kinds of background checks and all this stuff. he talked about let's take a look at it. that's who he was. let's take a look. >> i'd rather have you come up with

jonathan capehart and ab stoddard and steve schmidt back with me. steve, it is not unprecedented for people in an administration to think things about the president, to maybe think he's foolish or unprepared or egotistical. what's wildly unprecedented that john kelly openly speaks about it to others. when i talk to people in the white house that's what blew their mind. moments they were saying i can't believe this guy's saying things like if it wasn't for me this guy would be impeached or we would be at war. have you ever heard of anything like that before now? >> of course not. there's never been a presidency like this. there's never been a white house staff that approximates the dysfunction of this one. we have a secretary of state at the pentagon who is credibly reported to have said that the president is an f'g moron. we have the white house chief of staff credibly reported having called the president an idiot. we know when we watch this president speak whether it's with president macron, with chancellor merkel, whether it's at a table with cabi