jonathan capehart, let me just -- you are maybe too young to remember kenneth starr but rachel maddowa very helpful look back at what happened within 48 hours of kenneth starr concluding his report, more than 400 pages, plus all of the underlying material. take a look at the pictures, cartons and cartons of material. one copy for the democrats, one copy for the republicans, all delivered to the gerald r. ford building on capitol hill to be distributed very quickly to the public through the media. it was read live on the air. and some of it was pretty disgusting because of the details. but this was nothing that involved classified material, and it was nothing that was deliberately or politically redacted to prevent embarrassment for the president and his allies, jonathan. >> what an innocent time, andrea. it was a completely different time in america where you had even an independent counsel going after the president of the united states, operating by the rules. >> not exactly. >> as we knew then. >> leaking, going to the public, not observing any of the proprieties of robert mueller.

joining me now, nheidi przybyla and jonathan capehart. heidi, i fail to see how any good can possibly come of this feud with the president of the united states. there were some reports that aides and advisers tried to talk him out of this. obviously they failed. what do we know? >> i'll put it in a way that is pretty crystal clear. what are we not talking about at this exact moment in time? the possibility of rom's report and the special counsel investigation and what that could mean for president trump. instead the president knows this is something that will be an object that folks will talk about. that's not to diminish the newsworthiness of it, right, because what had been a private matter between two people inside their own home, the president has now elevated onto sort of this very, very national and very public stage. forgive me, you'll hear the choppers overhead, marine one has just landed on the south lawn no too far from where i am which means at any moment the president may come out to head to ohio. this is a president who likes

joining me now, jonathan capehart, and david drucker joins us back as well.plain this, why do republicans think winning the popular vote is out of reach? >> well, they've looked at the map and the political conditions. they've looked at the president's performance in 2016. they've concluded he may have even a few more paths to an electoral college victory than he had in 2016 even as he has to make sure he protects his flank in the sun belt. they're not all that confident he's going to pull off a popular vote victory and i think that's a very sensible prediction. what's interesting about this, hallie, is not so much the prediction on where the numbers are but that in many regards, they are just sort of resigned to it. and it's much different than after -- president bush lost the popular vote in 2000. his campaign going into 2004 was semi-obsessed with winning a popular vote victory in that election, not just winning reelection. they wanted to put to rest doubts about his legitimacy. we had not had the president win the white house without a popular vote since

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with us, we have renowned ad man donny deutsch, susan del percio is with us, msnbc contributor jonathan capehart joins us and expert columnist at "usa today" and author of "the death of expertise" tom nichols and from the associated press, jonathan lemire is with us as well. >> tom, i always talk about my favorite quote from paul simon who said "in politics sometimes when you win you lose and sometimes when you lose you win." i find it quite striking that the republicans have overreached and actually even after that letter appear to be so desperate that they're swinging wildly, making personal attacks, trying to draw up enemies lists for reporters. i've got to say, i sense they're actually for some strange reason the ones back on their heels because as adam schiff showed yesterday and we will show everybody today, donald trump and his administration still have so many improper things that they did that may not be illegal, but they certainly are unpatriotic. >> i think they're trying to use the period between the bar summary because i don't refer to it as the mueller report. all we have is the ba

>> jonathan capehart, we are seeing what the talking point will be on the other side. get the report out so we can investigate the obama administration. >> yeah. if you look at the front page of the new york post, just below the banner of the name of the paper is saying now it's time for the fbi to investigate. we are moving now as we have been talking about from the legal realm fully into the political realm. it's imperative that chairman nadler has been saying for weeks now that congress pursue its oversight responsibility. the check and balance responsibility. if it doesn't, if congress doesn't hold the president accountable, doesn't investigate. doesn't keep going even though mueller is finished technically. then the president will be above the law. the republicans can do what they want. lindsey graham can basically do in real life what republicans imagine happened in the tarmac meeting between loretta lynch, then attorney general, and former president bill clinton. they can do what they want. as long as congress stays focused on holding the president accountable,

washington post opinion writer and msnbc contributor jonathan capehart. kimberly atkins, senior washington news correspondent for wbur, also an msnbc contributor. jen palmieri, are the democrats in a bind on this? they have a freshman congresswoman, she is a minority, being a muslim in congress, now she's made these comments. and they feel pressured to take some action. >> i mean, if they were in a bind, being in a bind means they weren't taking action. so i don't think they find themselves in a bind because they are taking action to have a resolution to reaffirm that concern about anti-semitism and beyond this incident, there are a lot of -- you see a lot of examples of it in america today. you know, i go back to the tree of life synagogue massacre. so there's a lot of reason for concern, beyond representative omar. but if you -- she is a duly elected member of congress who is sitting on the foreign affairs committee. and if she has arguments against policy towards israel, american policy towards israel, she should voice that. what i think is -- where yo