tend to be that, as jonathan cohen of new republic pointed out.eople complaining loudest are well off and healthy currently. and, what we really want is a health care system that keeps, takes care of people who are sick, and that provides protection for awful us in case we get sick. >> all right, zeke. thank you for joining us. and i hope to continue this conversation with you. one we will be tracking for several years. >> no problem. >> dr. emmanuel, thank you. >> next on the money. turning science fiction in to reality. >> mine was earned in korea in 1953. >> afghanistan in 2009. >> in 1971. >> once it is earned, usaa auto insurance is handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection and because usaa's commitment current and military members and families is without equal. get an auto insurance quote. usaa. you know what it means to serve. who are we, the thinkers, the job jugglers, the up all nighters. and turn ideas into action. we made our passions our life's work. we strive for the moment where we sa

jonathan cohen. all right, o vick, you've been someone very critical of the aca from the beginning.ated? >> yeah, i mean, you know, in fairness, chris, a lot of liberals were also worried about the so-called death spiral. and they were always wrong, both sides, both the conservatives who were cheering it on, liberals who were scared about it because the subsidies do provide a cushion that prevent a true death spiral from occurring. and at the end of the day, it's important to remember that we can't use the signup figure that cms is talking about as actual enrollments because if you aren't -- you aren't actually enrolled with actual health coverage when you go to the doctor or hospital unless you actually paid the premium. that's number one. number two, depends on whether you've been previously insured or previously uninsured. and a lot of the people, according to the surveys we've seen who've signed up for obama care obam obamacare on the exchanges were previously insured. only a neminority, 14%, 15% wer previous lly uninsured. >> this payment issue, right, that essentially cms is h