set—piece sunday political interviews in the uk, which we've kind but i was very lucky to work with jonathan dimblebyas called "the document", ros. and this came from the peter jay days, even pre—brian walden, where the guest says x, you say y. if the guest says y, you say zed, or zee, as we now say in my new homeland. i also saw you giving an interview when you were launching your new media business when you said, "i like to fight on social media," and that's a direct quote. is it? 0h. does all ofjournalism have to be framed in winning arguments and fighting? no, not at all. not all ofjournalism. journalism that does need to be combative and adversarial and, i think we've allowed politicians, especially where i am, ros, in the united states, to get away with softball that the media has been so soft on the people in power. there's a reason we're having a populist moment, an anti—establishment moment. helped me as a journalist, for sure. like, working at somewhere like channel 4 on a dispatches, the amount of editorial debate and discussion and rigour that goes into making a show like that, the amount