jonathan f: you are calling, as a house, for a biden win. do you see in the numbers that gives you that conviction? jonathan l: this has been a steady race, and biden has had a polling lead, despite trump's relatively high approval rating given the coronavirus, biden has had the lead since he clinched the nomination in march. within 2% of hillary clinton in 2016, and you saw a collapse in hillary clinton's numbers over the last 10 days. brokeded voters towards donald trump. that is just not happen this time around. the trend -- no trend is suggesting that lead will go away. and all of the swing states that bidenwon that 2016, all needs to do is when one of them. arizona, texas, georgia, florida, ohio, pennsylvania. lisa: a lot of people would say that sounds good, but 2016, we don't buy that this is that much different. i am looking at betting markets, people putting money on the election, currently pricing in about a 61% chance of joe biden winning versus a 44% chance of president trump getting reelected. this is a much tighter race in pred