not so fast joining me now is jonathan freeman attorney nonprofit consultant co-founder of the center for corporate policy jonathan welcome and a thank you very much tom how you doing i am great thanks for joining us jonathan so what exactly happened to you driving in the carpool lane with your corporation tells the story. well. the the carpool and for those who don't know it's restricted during rush hour two vehicles that are carrying two or more persons as you say and there are road signs which explicitly say that. and the california vehicle code further defines as you say a person as a natural person in a corporation and so when i was stopped by the car. i handed him or showed him the incorporation papers of my family foundation which is a nonprofit and i expected him to say yeah i think you've got a person in the car with you but no he didn't he gave me a ticket and for not having quote unquote two persons in the vehicle at that time and the last thing he said to me were you have to have two persons in the car and i said thank you very much and i drove and so what's what's next wi