jonathan, i'm sorry, jonathan gruber. what do you think? >> i think that you really are not at all looking at the facts of this law. and once again, this is unprecedented. we ran the experiment first in massachusetts. we did this law in massachusetts. what happened? employer-sponsored health insurance went up 10%. in the past recession where employer sponsored health insurance went down in virtually every other state, it went up in massachusetts. we have a system that works by expanding private health insurance. and you're just making up a bunch of stuff and not looking at the facts of how the law actually works. >> so matt welch is making it up, peter pitts is making it up, there's no basis in fact? you didn't buy my medicaid point, you didn't buy my mandate point. we appreciate you being on the show. i want to be as fair as i can. you have an informing problem. this is why i think the computer glitches have at least partly gone wrong. you have a data hub. the data hub reaches hhs, irs, all the states, all the medicaid programs, the vetera

for that, we turn to jonathan gruber, a health economist at m.i.t. who's considered one of the many architects of the affordable care act. and robert lazewski, a consultant to the health insurance industry. welcome to you, gentlemen. okay, i have to start with you, jonathan gruber, since you are one of the architects of the affordable care act. did the president make a promise he couldn't keep? >> you know, i don't want to get into the president's word choice but the president said is people can keep the insurance they like he probably should have said people can keep the quality insurance that they like. there's a lot of insurance throughout that isn't quality insurance that are has various limitations with it. but the key thing to remember is that this is not an issue for the vast majority of americans. the vast majority of americans have health insurance from their employer or government and that's not touched. this is an issue for the substantial minority, maybe 5% or 6% of americans, that buy insurance on their own. about half of that population

economist jonathan gruber helped design the health care law. >> in some states insurance markets were already regulated to not allow insurers to discriminate against the sick. in those states premiums will fall like in new york where they could fall up to 50%. in other states insurers were freely allowed to discriminate against the sick, and by ending the discrimination we'll raise premiums in states like wisconsin and the southern states. >> insurers are now required to cover people with pre-existing conditions and that drives up prices. overall gruber said rates are going up for the young and healthy like dan and down for older people and people who are sick. despite the sticker shock, olkives says health care isn't something he wants to live without. >> you know, growing up with a father who was a cancer patient, i definitely learned you have to have insurance, you know, whether you like it or not, you do have to have it. >> we're going to continue tracking problems with the sign-up sites and keep the information updated for you. just go to cnn.com/healthcare. >>> i went to the doc

. >>> let's dig a little deeper right now with jonathan gruber, an economics professor at the massachusetts institute of technology, m.i.t. he helped design both obama care and romney care. jonathan, thanks very much for coming in. >> good to be here, wolf. >> what do you make of what we just heard from tom, at the time three, four years ago when you were coming up with obama care, with all these ideas, did you realize that in some of these states, there would be only one or two insurance companies competing for the folks' business? >> yeah, i think there's two issues we have to keep in mind. the first issue is to remember that we're comparing the world after obama care to the world before. it's not like obama care's chasing insurers out. these are just markets that didn't have many insurers to choose from before and there hasn't been a lot of entry in recent times since the law has passed. but the second thing to keep in mind is the law is brand new. in massachusetts, after a law had been in place for two years, we had a major new entrant that really shook up the insurance market. you don'

jonathan gruber who teaches economics at mit and helped shape the romney care program in massachusetts and advise on obama care as well. doctor, would you support a one year delay? >> no, i would not, bill. >> and the reason that you want to go forward with this system that's kind of chaotic is? >> because we are overreacting to short-term news. look, when we set up the first month 150. same kind of issues facing internationally. people, the law was widely supported by residents of our state. it just take as while. we can't overreact to day-to-day and week to week. long run trend. find somebody who can't sign up even if they want to sign up because that's the situation we have now. >> look, it's -- we have to ask ourselves better, worse or the same. as we mentioned effect them. this is how much we are going to take out of your check. what the final obama care mandates against the companies are going to be. let me get back to massachusetts because that's in play. all right? so massachusetts now, the wait for to see a doctor in internal medicine physician has increased from 33 days befor

the affordable health care act, john mcdonagh, professor at harvard school of public health and jonathan gruberessor of economics at m.i.t. gentlemen, great to have you with us tonight. mr. mcdonagh, what was it like rolling out the health care plan in massachusetts and your thoughts on what we are seeing right now as this unfolds? >> it was very controversial. it had lots of people throwing political rocks at it from all directions. it didn't go quickly out of the gate. it took time to build up. people had to become familiar with it. people needed time to shop, to look, to understand their choices, and five to six years later, the law is working well. we're actually feeling a little lonely up here in massachusetts these days since for the five years after it passed, it seemed like the "wall street journal" and the conservative media had to have at least one big article a week telling everybody how bad it was and since the election a year ago, we feel a little bit like the maytag repairman now because it's very clear in massachusetts the law is working well, and i think that's what the country