and still no mention that gruber was working for hhs. >> i don't know if you have seen jonathan gruber'ssis. in compa >> two weeks later, gruber's analysis of the senate version of the health care bill, that was picked up by atlantic's ron brownstein in a piece caled a milestone in the health care journey, gruber is quoted this way, quote, gruber is a leading health economist at the massachusetts institute of technology who is consulted by politicians in both parties, nothing about his hhs contract or any other consulting with the administration or congress on the bill. in a piece, gruber is quoted stating, quote, they really make the best effort anyone has ever made, everything is in here, i can't think of anything i would do that they are not doing in the bill. you couldn't have done better than than they are doing. one of some 71 e-mails the party sent out touting groouber's work. mike allen of politico had this in his playbook the next day saying obama makes brownstein's post required reading for the west wing. anybody involved or covering health care should see the piece. he was the

>> i don't think so. >> do you know who jonathan gruber is? >> who? >> jonathan gruber?n, key architects behind obamacare, and he said it was basically because of the stupidity of the american voter that it was able to get passed. what do you think about that? >> that if it was not for the stupidity of the american voter? the american voter's quite smart. >> i would hope that's not true, but i don't know the situation. >> disrespectful. why would he, like, have something bad to say about people? >> politically, it doesn't make a lot of sense. consulting. >> well, maybe he's right if i don't know who he is. [laughter] >> what would you say to someone who called the american voter stupid? >> it just shows he's not necessarily in touch with america as a whole. he has a slanted, biased opinion about what he's trying to get accomplished politically. >> i think he'd be wrong. >> he's not too bright. >> he's not too bright. >> he shouldn't be in charge of anything. not very nice. melissa: yeah, not very nice, indeed. let's go to our panel for a quick reaction. veronica and dan

>> i'll bet you know jonathan gruber too then. >> i don't know what -- >> he placed jonathan gruber in the white house. >> oh, good. >> axelrod said he didn't think that gruber was that important. >> no, he didn't say that. >> dana, your take on ratner and then if you would like to opine on a revote potentially on obama care. >> i do think that the white house and other democrats like nancy pelosi look silly trying to say that they don't know who jonathan gruber is, because they do know him. he's also somebody that they worked with and tried to do what gruber has said, which is actively figure out a way to deceive the american people so they can get obama care passed. i think what the white house could have done is say, yes, jonathan gruber helped with obama care, of course we think that his comments are ridiculous. that would have been a way to solve it. instead, they have perpetuated it, it makes people even more frustrated. on the revote issue. it's too early to say what is actually going to happen. mish mcconnell and john boehner will have to be working with their troops and they a

just can't get anywhere pops up and today there is another jonathan gruber video number 5. here is mr. gruber starring in a brand new video mocking someone who is concerned about obamacare. >> [ laughter ] >> and' adam' kinzinger joins us. welcome back to washington. >> thanks to be here. >> was the obama administration honest and the democrats on capitol hill not a bipartisan bill, obamacare? >> no. first off it was not a bipartisan bill. secondly, they were so desperate to get this thing passed. you created a bill, a few thousand pages so vague that it definitely left up who this unelected regulatory agencies. look at, for instance, remember the cornhusker kick back, the louisiana purchase much the mae landrieu earmarked to they gte this thing passed. desperate. senate seats and house seats to do it. continued to defend it and what you are seeing now is the reality that they said we have to sneak this bun past the american people. if they know what's in it they are not going to like it. skyrocketing, premiums. >> griewner says basically the american people are stupid, that

professor jonathan gruber, what a jerk.th his arrogant attitude he told the american voter stupid. it's so boorish, you know what's worse in and far more serious than his boorish insults. abuse of power principles by transparency. transparency a big part of. he was deeply involved in designing obamacare and no matter how much obama administration gruber up to their eyeballs with them. listen to hem openly brag about deceiving the american people. huge political advantage and basically you know, call it the stupidity of the american voter or whatever, basically that was something really critical in getting the thing to pass. >> gruber cued coo have been transparent. he chose not to to be and now his ugly game has been exhibited. so who is stupid now and that's my off-the-record comment tonight. right now to go gretawire.com and answer this. do you think serious issue or noise. vote in our poll. see you tomorrow night 7:00 p.m. eastern. sean has a special guest at 10:00 p.m. president bush. o'reilly factor is on. tonight. >>

good to be with you. >> poor jonathan gruber. a lot of people who knew him now pretending that they didn't know him. >> that's what is so offensive about this situation is that the white house, nancy pelosi and the president talking about his objective analysis. held it up as an example what they should craft their signature legislation after. now when they see what a disaster it is and what comments truly in the arrogance of him trying to hide him and distance himself. american people are smarter than that and we are going to keep talking about the fact that this is the element in the environment in which obamacare was drafted. that's why it's so flawed. >> do you think that americans deserve more of a response from the white house given the fact that we have seen all of these comments from various members of the white house and top democratic officials who said, you know, yes, that they admired his work. why not just be honest with the american people? >> absolutely. americans deserve the truth. an apology would be in order. al

and minority leader nancy pelosi she doesn't have know jonathan gruber. talking in c-span in november of 2009 when she is talking about his mit analysis of the bill. >> all catching one her. she said you have got to it read the bill to find out what's in it. the problem people read it and don't like it. now you see jonathan gruber coming out and admitting they had to use deception to pass the bill and relying on the bill not paying attention and holding them accountable unfortunately as they saw with the election results. public set up. >> besides the substance of the bill, i want to make sure we had v. a good smart bill, whatever is i'm appalled and sneaking around and saying the american people are stupid and she is running away from him and three years ago she is bragging on him on c-span and thinks we are so stupid that we don't immediate get on the computer and google all of this. >> the president is ultimately going to be held accountable for. this this is the deception they used from the very beginninging they counted on the american people not pay

harsh words for jonathan gruber even saying he should pay back the money he earned as an advisor. >> i was dumb struck when i heard the comments that are surfacing from an economist known as jonathan gruber who was paid 400,000 dollars to help shape the president's healthcare plan. he let us out of the past because of a lack of transparencynd a this is a direct quote, the stupidity of the american people. >> while i favor health insurance i am not wild about the new plan and how it became law either. but here is my question for mr. gruber. if all of this was as bad as you say, why did you take the money you earned as an advisor nor is it too late to give it back. what we have is another example of the sorry state of american politics where people take money for things in which they don't believe and whether it is good for the american people is not even a question. >> let's keep talking about jonathan gruber should he have to pay back the money he got for his obamacare work. log on to the fox and friends facebook page right after the show for a live debate at #keep talking. >> the de

who exactly is jonathan gruber? >> we look at his rise to infamy. >> another shocking new remark from jonathan gruber. he points out what he believes is the passage of romney care in massachusetts. >> the dirty secret massachusetts is the feds pay for our bill. in massachusetts we have a po powerful senator ted kennedy. he basically figured out a way to rip off the feds for 400 million a year. >> then massachusetts governor mitt romney passed it into law he thanked jonathan gruber. >> jonathan gruber at mit devoted hours and hours into this model. >> how does a nerd get into a game like this after hours and hours. >> soon connecticut, delaware, kansas, oregon and other states came calling. among the fans a young senator barack obama. owe owe>> obama realized he had to take on healthcare costs. this law could be the vehicle for doing so. >> gruber knew just as mitt romney did thes ma mass model wouldn't work. massachusetts had extra money to pay for it secured by ted kennedy. >> gruber knew the only way it could work

she wants between 200,0$200,000a million bucks for injury and mental anguish. >>> jonathan gruber's statementsstupidity of americans, says the supreme court is prepared to take off another major challenge to the health care law, one that gruber's own words suggest is potent. >> reporter: for all of jonathan griber's talk on the political advantages of lack of transparency, it is this remark that may pose a threat to the survival of obama care. >> if you're a state and you don't have an exchange, that means area citizens don't get tax credits. >> a tiny phrase in it's more than 2,000 pages that subsidies and tax credits can only be given, quote, through an exchange established by the state. because 36 states have not set up their own exchanges, the federal government has done it for them. that is at the heart of the supreme court case king versus burwell which challenges the federal government's right to set up state exchanges. >> i think the much bigger case is the court case in the congress at this point. >> the literal reading of the text is the understanding that the federal government shal

news just 24 hours later, jonathan gruber is quitting his healthcare consulting job with the state of vermont. here is what vermont senate minority leader joe benning had to say about gruber today. >> when you are coming to a group of people who are paying you a large sum of money to try to have something accomplished, and you treat them with disrespect, that leads, in my eyes, to a situation where is he not going to be credible when he tries to come into the legislature to sell whatever package he develops. >> and fox news correspondent doug mckelway is live in vermont. doug? >> hi, greta. hard to tell if this decision was long in planning or something that came up very suddenly. it came in the form of a telephone call from the governor's office. from the governor's point man on healthcare to gruber who said that he had become so toxic in effect that they could no longer work with him. under the terms of the agreement, gruber will no longer finish the pay of his $400,000 contract. he can keep 160,000 that he already earned. unclear whether is he is going to continue to work on the co

. >> sean, jonathan gruber has spoken honestly about the administration's tactics at to pass obamacare at universities, pbs and to leftist media. but when i confronted him today in front of his lecture hall on the m.i.t. campus, i wanted to press him on several key statements he made about his involvement. at first he seemed willing to talk to us until i identified myself and mentioned your name. and let's just say for the record i don't think you're on his christmas card list. i asked him multiple times, sean. i gave him every opportunity to answer, if obamacare is just an elaborate hoax and truly believes the american people are, and i quote, stupid. sean, you saw on the tape his response was loud and clear. it was no comment, no comment, no comment. sean, back to you. >> david, thank you. joining me now with much more on this is the host of special report our friend bret baier. bret, good to see you. >> hi, sean. >> let me put up on the screen for viewers the details about gruber's white house visits. as you can see, in total he had 19 visits. health care policy adviser on six occas

. ♪ >>> developing tonight, there is an explosive new jonathan gruber video.re architect claims he was in the oval office with president obama when they decided there was no way they could be straight with the american people in selling one of the more controversial parts of the law, the so-called cadillac tax. trace gallagher explains that in our west coast newsroom. trace. >> megyn, the cadillac tax is meant to put pressure on big companies to cut back on benefits they offer their employees. if they don't cut back, the companies and employees pay higher taxes. or as jonathan gruber explained to the less intelligent, if you made it clear healthy people pay in and sick people get money, obamacare would not have passed. during a 2012 interview with a pbs show frontline, jonathan gruber acknowledges president obama was in the room when the economist created the cadillac tax and everyone knew it would spell political trouble unless they could spin the numbers to make it more acceptable to the congressional budget office. listen. >> now, the problem is it's a poli

the beauty queen is supposed to be in the miss world competition next month. >> because jonathan gruberhe mastermind behind one of the most controversial parts of president obama's signature health law. gruber gates now exploding because bombshell negotiations. leland vittert is live for us in washington. now there is video of the president taking credit for gruber's ideas. is that correct? >> no matter how much the obama administration tries to distance themselves from jonathan gruber the video library seems to tell a different story. take a listen to president obama a few days ago in australia talking about a man his administration paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to was later caught on tape calling the american people stupid. >> the fact that some advisor who never worked on our staff expressed an opinion i completely disagree with in terms of the voters is no reflection on the actual process that was run. >> back to the video vault the contract that was then senator obama talking about professor gruber. >> you have already drawn some of the brightest minds from academia and pol

for nearly a decade top democrats have praised the work of jonathan gruber. let's take a look at this. >> you've already drawn some of the brightest minds from academia and policy circles, many of them i've stolen ideas from liberally, from austan goolsbee, john gruber. >> i don't know if you have seen jonathan gruber's m.i.t.'s analysis. >> jonathan gruber is one of the most respected economists in the world. >> ah, that was then but now that videos have surfaced gruber calling you, the american people, stupid, they've quickly changed their tune. i'm no doctor but this looks like a case of political amnesia. >> you can talk to dr. gruber about what he said, but i don't have a comment about his comments. >> i don't know who he is. >> the fact that some adviser who never worked on our staff expressed an opinion that i completely disagree with in terms of the voters is no reflection on the actual process that was run. >> ah, mr. president, jonathan gruber, he wasn't just some adviser, he's been at the white house at least 19 times in recent years meeting with yo

. >>> plus, there's a new video of obamacare architect jonathan gruber. i know you're shocked. this time he claims he was in the oval office with the president discussing how to trick the american public. this is him talking about his time with president obama, how they could trick the american public into accepting one of the more controversial parts of the law. >> and basically, you know, call it the stupidity of the american voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical to get the thing to pass. (receptionist) gunderman group. gunderman group is growing. getting in a groove. growth is gratifying. goal is to grow. gotta get greater growth. i just talked to ups. they got expert advise, special discounts, new technologies. like smart pick ups. they'll only show up when you print a label and it's automatic. we save time and money. time? money? time and money. awesome. awesome! awesome! awesome! awesome! (all) awesome! i love logistics. when diet and exercise aren't enough, adding crestor lowers bad cholesterol up to 55%. yeah! crestor is not for people with l

, no one would mind that jonathan gruber made $9 million over the course of seven years. as dana pointed out, 37%, the lowest gallup poll, which you quoted last week. >> sure. >> approve of obama care. >> for obama care or obama. >> obama care. >> 37%? is that the lowest? >> lowest ever. >> i didn't know that. >> do you think that next year, that gruber will get professor of the year. >> you got to wonder, how much of this denial is spreading even into his personal life. like he comes home and his wife says, who are you? i have no idea who you are. everybody he knows, everybody that said how great he is, is now going, i don't know who he is. >> he's not as smart as he thinks he is. >> it's going to come out. >> why do you take him at his word? he's a liberal college professor. you always say those people are a bunch of come comies, why do think what he said is true? >> you don't believe him? >> not for a second. >> i think they lived together in vermont for five years. >> maybe they did, but that's a different situation. >> he's dead to him. >>> okay, one more thing is up

stuart: turns out president obama not only knows jonathan gruber, he stole his ideas. and according to a new report today, gruber is the advisor who convinced the president to include the individual and the employer mandates inside of obamacare. bret baier host of "special report" on fox news joins us now. gruber is not an independent analyst as claimed. he is bought and paid for but he never declared this. the fix was in, bret. your report last night showed precisely that i think? >> yeah, stuart. it is amazing if you look back at that time, how many different people, not only in the administration but on capitol hill were citing jonathan gruber as an independent analye who wat economics professor. he was never titled, has a contract with hhs for $400,000. he was never titled, helped to actually write the law in both the house and senate version. he was never titled, advisor to president obama to get this piece of legislation across the finish line. he was all three of those things, and it was really a circular pep rally, not a circular firing squad. it was essentially

i don't know if you have seen jonathan gruber's analysis. >> you mentioned jonathan gruber. all right. so much for jonathan who. let just say all of this is make sabrina sick. they know who jonathan was. >> now they're rein can requirement from group their way the democratic candidates ran away from the white house. it's funny. this is serious. this may have a different affect than previous problems we have seen. we have had lots of problem along the way with obamacare, from the rollout to keeping your insurance if you like it. this is a different tone. we're not talking about policy. we're talking about the american people. >> i aglee with you, great deal of play because it should concern you what was going into their thinking. the major mainstream newscasts are not covering this. not that into it. i'll give them the benefit of the doubt. they say it's mind-numbingly boring and didn't feel that way about mitt romney's remarks. but they're not giving this the play i think it deserves, and that's not speaking for the right or news. a good news story that one of the key archite

if he were president of the united states he said jonathan gruber for health care reform. i mean, there is talk about taking a one-day story and making it a one-week or two-week story, they should have just come out and said jonathan grubary strong guy, they helped us draft there bill. he's an idiot. there are obvious reasons why he's a tenured professor. because he's an idiot in front of cameras. he helped put together this package. they can't get out of tear way. >> here's the thing. watching those two sound bytes back to back when the president said he didn't joe is absolutely right. the white house staff, you got to wonder about the staff. you got a smart guy saying stupid things. why they don't say just that, by the way, what is the obsession with taking 10 million people off the health care rolls? >> with the president mentioning his name. i didn't see it. how many speeches or book events where you thank the person or give a nod, have you no idea who they were. he was reading that off the script. it's not so gotcha. >> i have been in situations on a much, much smaller

now for at least the third time in as many days new video of obamacare adviser jonathan gruber surfaced with professor gruber explaining why you're all so stupid. >> it's a very clever, you know, basic exploitation of the lack of economic understanding of the american voter. >> you just don't understand. but thank god we have professor gruber to explain it to us. trace gallagher walks us through it. >> megyn, jonathan gruber is called one of the central architects of obamacare, but from our research that might be a huge understatement. turns out he didn't just help craft the affordable care act, he was instrumental in the campaign to sell it. for example, whitehouse.gov dedicated an entire page. the white house used his numbers to convince skeptical governors that obamacare would be good for their states. and everyone from the congressional budget office to the senate finance committee to health and human services relied on jonathan gruber's opinion. then-senator john kerry credited gruber with "walking everyone through the benefits of the affordable care act reforms so consumers are ar

. >> when he signed that into law he thanked jonathan gruber. >> jonathan gruber at m.i.t. devoted hours and hours. >> how does a nerd get in a game like this? through numbers. >> reporter: having designed a program. susan connecticut, delaware, kansas, and oregon came calling. >> almost immediately i was called by governor schwarzenegger in california. >> among his fans, a young senator named barack obama. one meeting led to another. before long he was elected president and gruber was summoned to the oval office. >> he realized he had to take on health care costs and that this law could be a vehicle for doing so. >> reporter: but gruber knew just as mitt rollny did that the massachusetts model wouldn't work nationally. massachusetts had extra money to pay for it secured by its influential senator ted kennedy. >> ted kennedy who had been delivering $400 million a year in flush funds to our safe net hospitals that the bush administration was threatening to takeaway. the romney administration went there and said can we keep the money to use it to pay for the uninsured and the

you know jonathan gruber. you are somebody who worked with him before. >> yeah you know how deeply involved he was in the obamacare legislation. has this guy always taking swings at the intellect of american people? >> no, this is a new aspect of john's personality. i haven't seen this before. he was deeply involved in the massachusetts health care reform and it was that expertise that the white house and administration sought out. and he had a consulting contract that came through hhs. he worked extensively with the administration and, quite frankly, gerri, that was his first brush with controversy. i testified with john in front of the senate health committee and he never revealed to anyone he was being paid by administration of the time. he was always portrayed as outside expert giving arm's length analysis and it just wasn't true. gerri: shocking frankly. here you have academic on the payroll. puts himself out there as expert. in fact he is paid spokesman. like running an advertisement. if we did that we w

i keep asking everyone about jonathan gruber thing. is that just noise?there aren't going to be hearings on him or on his statements? >> clearly is he an idiot. i'm not sure anybody in the obama administration is going to try to defend. >> he theys he is pretty senator by the way. >> most professors do. let me tell you this. i don't need a hearing to know whether or not healthcare freedom just yums have gone up or down. i haven't found a single person out of the 700,000 i represent in illinois that have gotten the discount that was promised. >> do they keep to keep their doctors. >> keep their doctors. i don't need a hearing to find out whether it's made it easier for doctors to provide for. i don't know i don't need a hearing to find out good for the doctors in our district. for those of us who represent a district out in washington, d.c. that vote is going to come real easy. >> senator tom coburn says he is leaving the senate. in the senate to repeal if there were a repeal vote in the senate and that went to the white house. out of the house, out of the

>> jonathan, we talked about gruber all morning.s been trending. but thanks to us, grubered trending. keep it going. what we've come it realize is that if there has been a hoax perpetrated on you, you've been grubered. here is why, because over the last couple years, we've been grubered four times. watch. >> the dirty secret in massachusetts is the feds pay for our bill. okay? in massachusetts, we have a very powerful senator, ted kennedy. he had basically figured out, and he smart people figured out a way to rip off the feds for $4 million a year. people say you can't tax my benefits. so what we think about, how could, talked about how could we make this work? obama is like, well -- he's a realistic guy. i can't just do this. he said it's not going to happen politically. the bill will not pass. how do we manage to get there through phases. that's called the genesis of the cadillac tax. barak obama is not a stupid man. okay? he knew when he was running for president that quite frankly, the american public doesn't actually care that

today we are learning mean more from jonathan gruber. the tapes keep on coming. >> the problem is it's political nightmare, and people say, no, you can't tax my benefits. so what we did a lot in this room, talked about how could we make this work, and obama's like, well, he's really a realistic guy. he said i can't just do this, it's just not going to happen, the bill is in the going to pass. how can we manage to get there through phase ins and everything. so that opened it up to the cadillac tax. >> the republican party has not rested on this. he thought political season was over, but that's not so smart. watch this ad. >> jonathan gruber is one of the most respected economists in the world. >> i respected the clintons back in 1993 for actually having tried to get it done, i think they did it the wrong way because they went behirnnd clos doors. >> i don't know if you saw jonathan gruber in my analysis. >> it's called the stupidity of the american voter or whatever, it's a very clever exploitation of the lack of economic understanding of

world. >> i don't know if you have seen jonathan gruber's m.i.t.'s analysis of the -- what the comparison is to the status quo versus our bill. >> the congressional budget office and professor gruber are both credible and unbiased sources were not bought and sold by the insurance industry. you've already drawn some of the brightest minds from academia in policy circles. many of i've stolen ideas from liberally peter ranging from robert gordon, austin goolsbee. >> video of gruber talking to academic peers in 2011 and 2012 and 2013 and probably beyond bragging that the health care overhaul was knowingly passed by using deceit and by counting on "stupid american voters". >> basically call it the stupidity of the american voter or whatever, but really that was critical to get this thing to pass. very clever basic exploitation of the lack of economic understanding of the american voter. i don't think it's that the voters in florida don't care about the -- i think they're misinformed. i think the short attention span of the american public works to his ad

says i don't know who this is and then we play the sound bite i refer you to the analysis by jonathan gruberhen says he didn't help us write this bill and then in "new york times" writes, mr. gruber helped put together the proposal and the white house lent him to capitol hill to help congressional staff members draft the specifics of the legislation. >> it's almost mind numbing. he's obviously not such a genius because he's made himself politically radioactive. even when nancy pelosi is saying i don't know who he is, you know you're pretty much never going to be testifying on capitol hill or be consulted by a republican or democrat or independent seeking -- >> speaking of super smart people from massachusetts who know who's smart and who's dumb, remember this one from john kerry? >> if you make the most of it, and you study hard and you do your home work and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. if you don't, you get stuck in iraq. >> i mean it just drips of contempt and reinforces a belief about some people in our country. wait, i want to play the sound bite on nancy pelosi who t

here we go again, jonathan gruber calls all of us stupid and more than once. gruber voicing over a cartoon to explain obamacare to what he considers stupid americans. that's right. a cartoon. >>> i'm jonathan gruber. served as an advisor for the national health care reform bill. lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. call it the stupidity of the american voter or whatever. but that was really critical. ted kennedy figured out a way to rip off the feds about $400 million a year. it's an exploitation of the lack of economic understanding of the american voters. americans are too stupid to understand this. >> good evening, mr. chairman. nice to see you. your thoughts about mr. gruber and now he's got a cartoon too. i guess he thinks adults are so stupid. >> i prefer sponge bob, but i did watch the cartoon earlier today. i can't get past the irony to get to the arrogance. when an administration holds out as the most transparent effort and then you confess this and insult the voters in the process who threw out your party is couple weeks afwoe and you'

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gruber. he is the m. i.t. economist praised repeatedly by the president and tom dems for helping them to write obama care. now they're throwing him under the bus. jonathan who? senior white house foreign affairs correspondent wendell goler live for us at the white house. how does the white house defend the president's claim that gruber was just a contractor whose views differ from his own? >> well, they say the president certainly doesn't agree with gruber's dispairagement of voters. the suggestion that the affordable care act passed because of their stupidity, their inability to see a tax of taxes. gruber, as you point out, has a ph.d. from m. i.t. he was essentially a numbers cruncher. >> it wasn't his responsibility to figure out how to get this bill through. we have people who are responsible for making those kind of legislative decisions at the white house. his expertise was focused on the economics of health care. this is expertise that he led to governor romney's association in massachusetts as they worked on health care reform there, and that was the role that he played. >> gruber also did some of the ground work for mitt romney's health care pl

. >> everyone is trashing jonathan gruber. but at least he is saying, look, i put this together, american people are stupid, they voted for it. by the way, democrats voted for it only. >> and it will hang around. we knew it, now we have the prove of it. like the smoking gun in a court case. you put it in front of the jury and feast yours on this. it is not like he misspoke. he is consistent in all three tapes. perhaps, who knows, maybe there's more. but the point has been made. in fact, yes, i'm glad he was honest about it. but i obviously disfavor strongly him referring to the american people as ignorant. because he is very wrong about that. >> more importantly, the way he came out of this, bob, this is a big deal. this isn't a -- in the words of joe biden, this is a big f'ing deal. >> if there is only one honest democrat, why are you asking me the question. >> dia little fact checking on your numbers from last night. we will get to that. >> go right ahead. and i've got my numbers too. >> anyway -- first of all, it is not goo

. >>> obamacare architect professor jonathan gruber of m.i.t. says it took what he calls a lack of transparency and quote, the stupidity of the american voter to pass obamacare. now we are learning it also allegedly took threats and tantrums to launch the obamacare website. according to a newly uncovered e-mail, those pesky things, from the former second ranking official at the centers for medicare and medicaid service who complained that her boss at the time, cms administrator, used what she called cruel and uncaring tactics to make sure that website launched on time. the official went on to say she was threatened with a demotion or forced retirement if she did not deliver. fact of the matter is they hit the deadline but everything else hit the website. gruber himself finally facing some consequences for his endless disparagement of americans' intelligence. the m.i.t. professor stepping down from a consultancy contract with the state of vermont after folks there organized a petition calling for his ouster. they are putting in single pair system

i don't know if you have seen jonathan gruber's, m. i.t.'s analysis. >> senior writer for the weekly standard, steve hayes, and fox news contributor. i don't know. did she have a slip of the memory there over the last five years, steve? >> i suppose we shouldn't be surprised that nancy pelosi is now saying she doesn't know who jonathan gruber was when before she acknowledged she hadn't read the bill itself. this -- look, this is embarrassing for her. this is embarrassing for the white house. it certainly should be embarrassing for jonathan gruber. >> they tried to deceive the american public into accepting their narrative about obama care and what it would do and how it would work. that's been exposed, in part, because jonathan gruber is so arrogant that he decided to boast about it on a number of different occasions. now that they're caught, they're running as fast as they can away from that. >> i know that you're pointing out that it's members of the press as well. i want you to take a look at the headline from the washington post. here's

professor jonathan gruber testified before the florida state senate in january of 2013, documented submittedanel as part of gruber's presentation show the professor is stating american seniors do, quote, a terrible job of choosing medicare part d plans, prescription coverage for prescription drugs, as evidenced the slide shows only 12% of seniors choose the lowest cost plan ask the typical senior could save 30% of their drug costs. this as a host of videos that recently surfaced showing group irdiscussing the obamacare, the administering paid gruber nearly $400,000 to consult on the development. he later said supporters brought obamacare through congress by writing it in a way that hid its true cost, the infamous stupidity of the american voter. while congress being debating the law, democrats touted his analysis and now they're distancing him from gruber's recent comments and downplaying his contribution in writing con writing obama care, we have reached out to gruber, he has declined comment. >> is there any group he has not alienated yet? >> seniors, voters, it's a pretty wide group. >> h

but i think they also look at the situation with jonathan gruber. 2009 on nancy pelosi's website was a letter written by jonathan gruber defending obamacare. they know how much damage she can do if she decides to turn. >> and she will burn them. if they turn on them, she will pull the purse strings for those campaigns. she will make them pay. >> you have to bring you mean the iraq war veteran. she's pregnant, has no legs. she lost her legs in the war and nens pelosi would not let her vote on the leadership concerns. then everybody will be bringing in fake doctor's note or something like that. you should make an exception for a woman like that. >> what a witch. by the way, she's punishing tammy duckworth because she was very vocal against the president when the v.a. scandal emerged. >> and they're at odds with certain leadership positions so it's one less vote against what she wants. >> well, the leaves have barely hit the ground but it's already feeling like the dead of winter in many parts of the country. oh, yes. including western new york where a

people ranging from robert gordon to austin grade schools bee and jonathan gruber. >> an average joe with no political agenda turned up video of the much lauded mr. gruber talking to peers in 2012 and 2013 and probably beyond bragging that the healthcare overhaul was written in the past by deceit and counting on, and we quote, stupid persamerican voters. >> basically that was really, really critical to get it passed. >> america is stupid to understand. >> clever exploitation of the lack of economic understanding of the american voter. >> i don't think it's that the voters in florida don't care i think they are misinformed. >> i think the poor attention span works to their advantage. a year from now it will be long forgotten. >> the same democrats who attended meetings for this guy and publically praised him admitting they stole ideas from him developed a dramatic case of amnesia. >> i don't know who he is but he didn't help write our bill. with all due respect we have questions of those who can't write the bill commented on who we were writing the bill. >> it wasn't their responsibili

nothing the media loves more than secret videotapes and this was the architect of obama care jonathan gruber admitting to a health care conference that -- transfer money to poorer patients. >> lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. and call it the stupidity of the american voter or whatever, but that was really critical to get it to pass. >> this was a very big story on fox news. >> caught on cam remarks a st g stunning admission new developments on the obama care architect who was caught on video admitting the white house preyed on the quote, stupidity of the american voter to get the health care law passed. >> but this was a nonstory for days as far as the network news division was concerned. not a word in the "new york times" until yesterday. other news organizations, cbs, "washington post" finally catching up days later. joining us to talk about this huge -- stone wall fight for truth against the forces of intimidation and harassment. allison barber, staff writer, and a democratic strategist and fox news contributor. the gruber video was it important news in is it important

and then jonathan gruber responds.is. >> he's so funny when the public has concerns about what the government does, oh, they're so stupid. increased prices bashgs looning costs of the premium, device costs, shabby facilities on and on and on. >> restricting wages. and all of that did come true so, those constituents had a valid reason to be concerned. >> yes, they did. just in case you've been in a cave all week, let's go back and take a look at some of john eithan gruber's greatest hits. these all took place in what he probably assumed were private forums, talking about how obamacare got through the congress. it's totally revealing. pay special attention. watch. >> place basically, you know, call it the stupidity of the american voter or whatever, but basically, that was really critical to getting it to pass. the dirty secret in massachusetts is the feds pay for your bill. okay? in massachusetts, we had a powerful senator named ted kennedy. he's basically figured out a way to sort of rib off the fed for about $400 mil