something thatth jonathan gruber just said before the break.said of donald trump had not been elected president, a lot of the uncertainty we are seeing would not be there in the marketplace. let's do a little truth squatting of that. how true is that? >> it is pretty true. you have seen the president say -- at least news about undermining obamacare. insurers are all about minimizing risk. all of a sudden, they have all this unpredictability. so their instinct is to pull back and say we don't want to deal with all this crazy uncertainty. david: what are the oppression is a company like aetna faces? what do they say led to the decision? >> they say they will have about $209 in losses this year. at least. .nd they have pulled back it is still pretty bad. are goingrson losses up this year even after raising prices, going out of state, doing what they can. david: does this debate over potential passage of this bill afford insurers anymore certainty? are they getting into this? -- are they getting it through this? in 2018.ects things they are filing

one of the architects of obamacare, jonathan gruber. plus, you're the president, but you are turning into a real dictator. >> if your baby is going to die and it doesn't have to, it shouldn't matter how much money you make. >> we will ask about the politics of late-night comedy. our power player of the week, up basketball player boun bonds wir sister and brings her to washington d.c. that's all right now on fox news sunday. hello again from fox news in washington. republicans have finally started making progress on their pledge to overhaul the nation's health care system. president trump held a celebration in the rose garden after they passed repeal and replace, but there was no celebrating at town hall where gop members who celebrated the bill, the house freedom caucus members faced angry constituen constituents. [inaudible] that line is so indefensible. nobody died because they didn't have access to healthcare. >> it still faces a long tough road in the senate and it could be months before it becomes law law's before we will look at h

strategist karl rove and obamacare architect jonathan gruber. but first, here in washington the right house chief of staff reince priebus. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> reince: good morning. >> chris: the senate as we were saying is taking up repeal and replace. they're talking about a major rewrite that could take months. take a look. >> that's the way it works, right? they will pass theirs, we will pass hours and then we will go to conference. i don't think that the house bill necessarily predicts the senate bill. >> chris: a member of the house freedom caucus warns they better not change it, the house bill, one iota. if they change it you're not going to have 218, the majority you need of votes in the house. given that fact that it barely passed the house, what does the president think of the senate making major changes and according to them, they would be taking months to do it? >> reince: first of all, he thinks that, and i think, and a lot of people think this is a binary choice between what we know is a collapsing system offering

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he with his thoughts on the architecture of the health care systems, jonathan gruber helped craft obamacarehe is currently an economic professor at m.i.t. and he joins us now from cambridge. professor gruber, thank you so much. i want to start with the h aca warning that 1/6 of the population resides in areas in which the nongroup market would start to become unstable beginning in 2020. explain this for us and how the adh ca could destabilize so much of the markets. news ands so much bad it is hard to know where to start. i think you are serving with the single most important part of the group. maybemost, and for them, it works well. if they get sick, their price doesn't go up. i realize, before obamacare, that wasn't the case for people that didn't get interest from their employer. if you got insurance, they could raise the price to the roof or deny interest altogether. that ended on january 2014. this bill would reintroduce that discrimination insurance market and allow states to do it. six of the population would reintroduce discrimination to insurance market. it is really tried it -- tr

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charles: check this out, jonathan gruber.ers stupid and one the chief architects of obamacare. blaming president trump for obama care's failures. just listen to this. >> look, whose fault is this? before president trump was elected there were no counties in america that did not have an insurer. since president trump's been elected -- >> wait, you're going to the blame the problems with obamacare on president trump? charles: chris stirewalt joins us now, fox news political editor. i know he thought we were dumb but i guess he thought he had to test the limits of it? >> it is convenient timing that. is interesting choice to say there were none before this day. now there are going to be these. we know when the hammer is going to fall on this stuff because it is not this year. it is for next year. all of the things that were built into the law, all of the misplaced parts of this law, parts that some of which even the president held back himself, are what led to us this moment. now, sure it is true the fact that insurers no republ

the reason why this bill came out of the house was because of people like jonathan gruber.out there in public and then admit that they lied to the america people humans and publicly they told everyone that healthy people would have to pay would've never passed congress. yes this is attacks. instead they said but they needed to say in public to get the there was to move further and further towards a single -- single-payer system. jonathan river also said should we believe anything that he says when he said america is too stupid about health care reform. the lack of transparency is a political advantage. >> is a huge political advantage. you can call this stupidity of american voter or whatever. he's been very transparent out hoping that many americans still have their heads in the sand and they don't at this point. this is can be one of those issues we've no longer took the american people into believing what any politician says. people want change. in november president trump was elected because he was one that they saw that could get out there and get this bill fix. and to

visiting fellow at heritage foundation and former senior economic adviser for the trump campaign and jonathan gruberessor of economics at mit and one of the architects of obamacare. jonathan, let me begin with you. the quote from the president "preexisting conditions are in the bill" that's his language, he says this amendment, this macarthur amendment guarantees it. is he right? >> no. he's not. look, it's about the letter of the law versus the sphere of the law. to cover preexisting conditions means that you have to not only stop insurers from excluding people, but you also have to stop them from charging people many, many multiples of those without preexisting conditions. the macarthur amendment would insist states continue to cover preexisting conditions but would allow the insurers in the states to charge those preexisting conditions $1 million a month. there's nothing stopping that. so substantively this new macarthur amendment does not include coverage of preexisting conditions. unless you not only mandate it covers them and stop insurers from price discriminating it's toothless. >> stephen m

thanks in large part to jonathan gruber, the architect of obamacare who had this to say to chris wallacethis? before president trump was elected, no counties in america that did not have an insurer. since president trump has been elected, and massive -- >> wait a minute, you're going to frames the problems of obamacare on president trump? >> we had a situation where there was at one time premium increase that made up for the fact that insurance were underpriced in the first two years. then you have a president that comes in and undercuts open enrollment, does not honor the obligations that the law makes. >> i want to know from you, judge, was it courageous when that man, jonathan gruber credited the quote stupidity of the american people for passing obamacare? >> no, i do not think that is courageous. i don't understand why president obama said last night. he must've been aimed at the democratic base, because no republicans are going to accept be courageous and support obamacare. i think he was trying to ramp up nancy pelosi, or chuck schumer and company. >> i do not think he was trying

we'll have a debate between gop strategist karl rove and one of the architects of obamacare, jonathan gruberus -- >> you're the president, but you're turning into a real pricktator. >> if your baby is going to die and it doesn't have to, it shouldn't matter how much money you make. chris: we'll ask our sunday panel about the politics of late night comedy. and our player player of the week, a star basketball player's special bond with her sister brings her to d.c. >> i wanted to be here, and i was willing to do whatever it took to get here. chris: all right now on "fox news sunday." and hello again from fox news in washington. republicans have finally started making progress on their pledge to overhaul the nation's health care system. president trump held a celebration in the rose garden after the house passed repeal and replace, but there was no celebrating at town halls where gop members who supported the bill, like rau wiewl lab rah door of the house freedom caucus, faced angry constituents. chris: health care reform still fasts a long, tough road in the senate, and it could be months, if

one thing peter gruber did, jonathan gruber, peter gruber is also big hollywood mogul who will be partd because you're an american. he said who is to blame because obamacare is not working. >> before president trump elected there was no counties elected that didn't have a insurer. >> you're blaming problems with obamacare under president trump. >> there was obama care, one-time premium increase last year, made up for the fact that insurers massively underpriced. the problem was fixed. undercuts open enrollment. doesn't honor obligations to make this law -- as a result premiums are going up and insurers are exiting. steve: system is not working well. republicans, the ball is in their court. if you think any democrats in the senate will help. it will not happen, ultimately in washington it is all about political advantage. things are so polarized. there won't be one single democrat. the big question is how many works will say, that is too far from me? brian: i think a lot. they're seeing blow back that happened yesterday. they're getting nervous. ainsley: becomes so political. democrats

that's what jonathan gruber said yesterday.s leave said half of facebook feed is fake news and i think could be more than that. the truth is gop plan not only covers preexisting conditions, on top of that they establish 138,000-dollar fund. of that 7%, only 4% so a -- the media didn't want to read the bill, they didn't want to actually see what's in it and frankly if they did they would see that this takes care of preexisting conditions, what it doesn't do is make everybody else pay for it. that's the problem with obamacare. everyone else's fees and costs are going up. what the media doesn't want to talk is that the gop plan actually lower premiums and costs. clayton: capri, you don't want to talk about this. >> that's absolutely false. i will tell you i'm the no-spin and licensed social worker that was trained in a level-one trauma center. i spent my entire adult life in health policy and offered reform in ohio with pretty market based approach to lower costs. here is the true issue, the affordable care act is not a perfect pl

they are playing upon and depended upon the liberals and the democrats are depended upon the jonathan gruberory. they're basing it on the stupidity of the american people. they do have a lot of people who are going to be gullible and follow that narrative. that represents approximately 50% of the american people, those people who elected donald trump represent the other 50% plus a few. the 50% plus a few are going to have to let trump know that we have his back. that's why the democrats and the liberals get away with that spirit because liberal media as their accomplices help them to get the message across to people who really don't understand the facts. >> sean: you would have delivered it better because i'm not the guy that does 999, the most memorable political line in the history of politicking. thank you. coming up on this busy, breaking news night, the president is now fighting back against these forces who are trying to take them down, lou dobbs, cory lewandowski are here next, also tonight. >> he no longer has control instead of being the hunter, he becomes the hunted. >> sean: disgr

dilution and blame, listen to the awkward explanation for o-care's failure from bumbling architect jonathan gruber. >> you're going to blame the problems with obamacare on president trump? >> insurers were saying positive things about ability to stay in the exchange to succeed, then you have a president who comes in, undercuts open enrollment, doesn't honor the obligations this law makes to insurers. >> all right. >> this law is dishonorable and insurers were running for the exits in late october because the aca was failing and they panicked. that's why donald trump is president. if mr. obama were smart, he'd stop digging up the corpse of his presidency trying to reanimate it after a fresh burial. barack let it become political mulch and stop the morbid ritual to make sure people still louf. this is why narcissists shouldn't be president. sadly, they're the ones who want the job. glad to haveou back. i'm kennedy. so president obama desperately trying to save his signature achievement as president, but is the republican replacement to obamacare anywhere improvement at all? let me talk to fox news s

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liz: jonathan gruber, we're too stupid to understand obamacare, he says it's trump's fault. >> preexists trump. liz: pulling out in 2014. >> let me tell you why. here's the fault. aetna analyzed it in 2016 and found 55% of the people that had signed up were new that year on the exchanges, and guess what? they were sick and they had high-risk conditions. you know why? because young people, young people, 45% of the people who took the tax penalty were under the age of 35. meaning the whole idea behind obamacare, the saps, were going to be the 27-year-olds who paid for the older people who didn't sign up. aetna said you only allowed a profit margin of 20% but only gave us sick -- liz: the issue is obamacare built the mini monopolies and the states could ratchet up the costs because they were sick people. the republicans are trying to get rid of that. the question is will the republicans cut medicaid? are they hurting people that way? >> two things i want to say about the bill. number one is medicaid expansion will stay. i do not believe the cuts to medicaid will say. in i think the senate i

jonathan gruber is with me, he also helped create massachusetts health care program under mitt romneyt. good to see you, jonathan. >> good to see you as well. >> so as it pertains to this house bill, still no cbo report numbers, no publicized specifics of the draft. so let's take a look and compare, you know, some of the elements of the proposal versus the existing affordable health care. right now let's take a look. and let me know, is this reform, or is this replace to you, rebranding? so we've got income based subsidies that are no longer part of the equation, individual and employer mandates no longer, pre-existing condition protections. we just saw by way of interviews of a number of house members there's no guarantee on that as is in the current plan. what's in with the current plan, the age-based tax credits, penalties for coverage lapses, high risk pools. so and then the list goes on. how would you compare these plans? >> well, i think, you know, as paul krugeman said it best, this is obamacare version 0.5, based on every dimension takes affordable care act and makes it worse.

co architect jonathan gruber pointing the finger at president trump for health care's rising costs. >ose fault is this? before president trump was elected, no counties in america that did not have an insurer. you have a president undercuts open enrollment, doesn't honor the obligations this law makes to insure, premiums are going up and insurers are exiting. melissa: here is former trump campaign co-chair, and jessica tarlov, a fox news contributor. joe, i mean, we did so many stories in the run-up to the election. in that time period. arizona price increased 116%. tennessee 63%. oakland, i can go on and on. major insurance carriers, three of the five of them went on conference calls to shareholders before the election and said they were exiting obamacare because they were losing money. how do you blame that on donald trump? he hadn't been elected yet. >> look, i don't know if mr. gruber was awake in 2016, the collapse of obamacare was a thing on. election day itself, 17 of 23 obamacare co-op exchanges had gone bankrupt or out of business. this was a problem going into the election, a

can you believe jonathan gruber was on the sunday talk shows yesterday saying the reason obamacare is is because of you, president trump. >> is a little rich. it is a very race weekend. it appears that this is their new strategy. we are now 100 plus days into the administration. we can now start blaming them for everything. to what is protocol for this stuff? for example, separate report essay flame is getting good at the russians for beaches i never let the white house know. i would be kind of a hard thing to hide anyway. but what do you make of that? >> well, if you go through this process, you expose everything. payments for organizations that you have received. >> you can't hide that with high security officials. >> absolutely come to light. he signed a form that gives you access to high capital returns. you can't hide this stuff for a few for a few hide, you have to hide it intentionally and recognize that by hiding in, there is a good chance he will be discovered at which point in time you're in a very uncomfortable position. neil: congressmen, thank you very much. >> thank you.

one of the architects of obamacare, jonathan gruber blamed president trump for the health care law'shere there are battle lines drawn, and they may have to rebuild this from the ground up. >> and hillary clinton sending a tweet about the french election and taking a swipe at the media in the process? and we're all over it, "varney

. >> i love how jonathan gruber blames donald trump for failure of obamacare, insurers started leaving need to step up to the plate to work with congress to work with the solution they need. they need to be patient-centered. that is what republicans focus on. stuart: mercedes schlapp thank you. >> i might stay here. stuart: show me airlines stocks, please. despite everything i said at the top. hour they're close -- they're down today, not because of what i said but they are down today. you know they're still very, very close to all-time highs. including united. ashley: because they're still very efficient. oil prices remain very low. they're not paying a lot for oil and gas. we had dragging incident. we had the brawl in florida when there was work action on spirit airlines, all of these very negative stories, but people don't have any choice. they have a monopoly. you know what is interesting? i flew from charles de gaulle paris on tuesday to jfk. it was supposed to leave at 11:00 a.m. they asked me to get there 8:00 a.m. for security, which i did. didn't take off until 1:30 in the aft

you know jonathan gruber one of the architects said the insurancers undercharged early and they are justwhat a joke. brian: they undercharged. >> this thing was structurally flawed from the get-go. they needed far more young people, healthy people tone roll in these exchanges. fewer older, sicker people. that's not what they got. they got it the other way around. and so now costs are just spiraling upwards. the bought line here is obamacare is dead. this is the final phase of the death spiral. it's done. stick a fork in this thing because it's finished. by the way. we have anthem, cigna and molinena, three other huge health insurers, they are considering, quote, unquote, a total withdrawal just like etna. it's done, it's finished. >> if that is true and obamacare is finished. you would think that mitch mcconnell would that take thats story and knock on chuck schumer's door today and say hey, it's dead. we have got to work together to fix it. >> what the democrats want from the senate bill is more obamacare. they will want more. steve: but it's dead. >> they want to resurrect it in the ne

there's a youtube video of jonathan gruber, the father of romneycare, bragging about the fact that somers, closed quote massachusetts, were able to rip off the government to the tune of $400 million every year to make romneycare work. and we have a huge cash infusion from the feds in california. if that stops, california's going to be even worse off. we're already about $500 billion if not a trillion dollars unfunded pension liabilities, and this would just grow that problem each more. >> there will be a financial bomb. that's what will happen. stuart: a financial bomb. >> absolutely. stuart: karl rove. >> every state is going to face this, because every state that expanded medicaid, is going to -- there's a time the federal government picks up the tab. when that time period runs out, it's going to bump onto these state budgets. you talk to virtually any governor in america, and they will admit republican or democrat -- some publicly, some privately -- that medicaid is eating the state budgets and crowding out spending on everything else whether it is education or highways or quality of

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>> yeah, i do recognize that ben rhodes when talk about -- jonathan gruber with obamacare said it was attacking. i do rec nice that susan rice came out and said every single thing that happened in benghazi is because of -- yeah, i've been watching washington for years. i do see how they operate. i mean, seriously. i was told i'd be able to keep my plan and my doctors. i was told that the irs would in no way server -- >> if you think that all of those things are awful which i think you do, i'll hold your hand on that and say, you know what, i don't want anybody -- >> you didn't do it when it was happening for the past eight hours. you can't go retroactive and go back and have those things bothered you, they never bother you before. >> we have a problem with people spinning and lying, we have a problem with people spinning and lying all the time. >> also with your words about the definite kit and not being revenue neutral. you should have been talking to me during the stimulus. >> so, now you want to -- >> no i just wish -- you can't go back and change history. you needed to be concerne