jonathan lis, former special adviser to michael gove. charlie rowley and executive director of the henry jackson society, alan mendoza. i like to say on a sunday afternoon. but i�*ll make an effort. okay. let's come to you first, alan. i mean, you you�*re the henry jackson society. you analyse and research domestic and foreign policy ideas. don't and foreign policy ideas. don�*t you. try to. yeah, absolutely. and certainly with regard to russia and what's going on in russia and what's going on in russia at the moment. now, we've talked until we're pretty much blue in the face about friday�*s meeting between zelenskyy and trump and jd vance from the russian perspective. how do you think putin would have been analysing what was going on there? >> well, i. >> well, i. >> mean, i think we got a clear sense of what the putin regime thought by various tweets and other pronouncements coming out from putin henchmen. at all have no, because he doesn't need to say anything. the reality is that putin's voice is being amplified by other people in his circle. they�*re obviously delighted by the mess of friday. it's, you know, kind