with me to discuss all of this here in paris, college professor, jonathan lawrence. he is also author of the emancipation of europe's muslims. along with cnn national security analyst, former c. imt a. operative and retired delta force army officer. jonathan, i wonder if i could ask you, let's talk about that audio. a remarkable window not just inside a terror attack as it's happening as you have this hostage-taking. but, also, inside the mind of a recruit to terrorism. a french national here describing why he targets civilians. what did you hear? is e or is that a familiar justification? >> i think it's a confused mind or a confused person. there is very little sense and very little coherence in the arguments he made, starting with, of course, the note about the head scarf band. it's wrong to tell only the part of the story where the french government bans islamic symbols. they're also active in helping to make muslims feel at home in france because of this system of secularism, it allows for revision. >> and to be fair, bans of other religious symbolism, as well wea

joining me in paris, boston college professor of political science, jonathan lawrence. jonathan perhaps i could begin with you. that was a visible and a noticeable presence. you know this country well. was that a mistake for the obama administration? >> i think that it takes so much time to prepare a presidential visit that it would be unrealistic to expect the president to turn up after just a few days. he made a point to go to the french embassy in person which is really unprecedented. he wrote a long message in their condolences book. secretary of state kerry gave a long speech. i know the french people appreciate it very much. while you're right that it would have been nice to have a more visible american presence i think that there's been no lack of messages of solidarity from us and frankly, we're on the battlefield with them as well. there can be no doubt about america and france standing together in the war. >> buck sexton can i ask you your background at the cia, the security difficulty. do you think that was a factor because it was noted, and we all noticed ben

we're going to start with associate professor jonathan lawrence author of the emancipation of europe'scal commentator, tara setmeyer. jonathan if we could start with you. how does this city -- how have you seen this city and this country responding so far to these attacks? defiance i think, is the best word to describe it. >> defiance is right. the sense that i got walking around the city in the first couple days afterwards were that there was a refusal to change the way of life. but on the other hand people are very serious about what comes next. and they're very scared about what comes next because the political class is divided about how to approach this question and whether or not the country is at war with radical islam or not. >> it's interesting. so many parts of the community are worried what comes next. certainly the muslim community worried about retribution, already attacks on shops in the community and the continuing terror threat. and all of france worried about a threat to its identity as a diverse place. you may not be able to see, but behind me at the very top in lights

analyst and joining me in paris right next to me boston college professor of political science jonathan lawrence of "the emancipation of europe's muslims." jonathan the simplest question i can ask you, does this rally matter? >> it matters in the short term a great amount because this is one of the largest rallies on record in french history. that's saying something. because the french have a history of -- they basically invented the barricades in 1848. the french revolution et cetera. how long can the unity last? one encouraging sign which is unprecedented in french rallies that the police were applauded every time a column of cars passed by. we're used to that after 9/11 but here they're not. >> there was one moment during the rally when some of the people in the crowd saw the snipers that were on the roof of building and they are cheering the snipers who want to stay behind the scenes but here was a public expression of that. bobby, part of this is about winning hearts and mind among muslims to show a unified opposition to this kind of extremist thought. my question the how powerful is that p

. >>> joining me now, jonathan lawrence in foreign policy studies at the brookings institution in honor know you've studied and written about the jewish community in france. it has to be a very, very dark and painful night for french jewry tonight. >> i think that's absolutely right. unfortunately, it's not the first this year and it's been several tragedies in a row starting in 2012's murder in taluse, 2014 in the month of may in brusbrussels and of course all three acts this week by frenchmen, it's a very depressing day for french jewry. >> obviously, the synagogue in paris tonight for the first time since world war ii, a lot of fears about the safety of french jews. what have you heard in the wake of this? >> well already, 2014 was a record year for french-jewish immigration to israel. approximately 7,000 french jews made it to israel this year. that is a number twice the previous year and hasn't been made in about a decade. so i don't think anybody doubts the government's resolve to try and protect them. i think when you have one incident after another and, again, with a body count

joining me is jonathan lawrence national security analyst bob baer and former nypd detective, harry houckf i can begin with you tonight. you have in effect a dual threat now. a clear terror threat to jewish targets in the city and country as we saw yesterday and the attack on the kosher market. but you have also had a number of reprisal attacks against islamic institutions. synagogues kabob shops. it's coming from both sides. how does a society counteract that invariable human emotion of revenge on one side but also the terror threat on the other? >> it's something we're familiar with i think, from the aftermath of 9/11 when we too had to come together as a country in the face of what was really a divisive polarizing act. and that's what the trick is here. to call for national unity the politicians have done that. they want to it get the mainstream parties together. right now they have for tomorrow's march. but not all parties will participate. some of them have decided to hold their own rallies, and that is not a great sign frankly. >> have leaders done -- of course i remember the moment

bergen and bob bare a former cnn analyst and now working in paris, brookings institution, and jonathan lawrenceon of european muslims minority integration. peter, as we look at the video, before the break we talked about the symbol of holding up the one finger. >> you see this in isis videos over time. it's the concept of the oneness of god. the idea shia islam is like you're part of the this ultra fundamentalist sbrerpation. it's from tao heed. the reason it is relevant is that it became al qaeda in iraq. al qaeda in iraq became isis and al qaeda in syria. it's a way to say i'm part of these groups and making a point to identify with these groups. >> now you have this guy who was seen with the female suspect entering turkey. he's identified as being part of an afghan pakistan cell. what do you make of these connections? >> even the pakistan, that came out of al qaeda and egyptian group, called islamic jihad. it's not the first time we've seen this. 9/11 was the joint operation of these two groups. we had egyptian and lebanese and saw saudis, and so if you are a victim, it doesn't matter the if

jonathan lawrence, i wanturence i want to ask you.rried out deadlier and deadlier attacks if places such as iraq that it was losing its support. americans may not know this but al qaeda has supporters in that part of the world. it was losing some of its support. is there any evidence with a particularly brutal attack like we saw at "charlie hebdo"," and the video images of that cop lying on the street asking for his life and being executed any evidence that that saps the support that we have to acknowledge for extremist groups, for terrorist groups such as isis aqap et cetera? >> well this is unfortunately, the result perhaps, of the success in breaking the leadership structure of al qaeda. which is that you have an increasing likelihood of lone wolf attacks which are, perhaps, not directed by al qaeda central. remember the kouachi brothers a acting as an echo of al awlaki whom the united states killed in a drone strike years ago. they don't need al zawahiri or ben laudedy or al awlaki alive for messages. they can download a pdf from

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