jonathan lou nene is a james web space telescope, interdisciplinary scientist. he's also an astronomy professor at cornell university, joyce, me now from ithaca in new york, vice in good have you with us, jonathan? on the program, i want have always wanted to use this phrase space, the final frontier, that phrase is losing its gravitas with the image is that to have been revealed by the telescope? well, we're certainly saying farther than any telescope, as before, women showing its remarkable power sensitivity. and just the 1st few images are you see the images and you look at the men or i think the global audience has since they've been released. however, how long does it take scientists to understand what we're looking at? because there must be certain points or criteria that you can define straightaway as a scientist. for example, if we look at the stella nursery image that we've got 1st that we can bring up for of years. i mean, it's a, it's a stunning image. that is probably the most complex of the images that came down from of james, where space telescope i